Rockmolder
13 years ago

The Vikings are going to have to run double tight ends the whole year, just to get people blocked.

We cry about our O-line quite a bit, but I'm not trading ours for the Lions, Vikings, or Bears o-lines.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



It's actually quite amazing when you think about it. Our entire division is full of amazing pass rushing teams who have players like Peppers, Allen, Suh and Matthews who can singlehandedly take over a game if you let them, coupled with some of the worst O-line groups in the league.

I wouldn't be surprised if 3 of the 5 teams with the highest sack total would come from the NFC North.... on both sides of the ball.

I missed the game, as I was making an ass out of myself, but if Shawn said the O-line didn't look that good at the point of attack, I believe him. I hope that gets fixed, although I don't see it as a critical point.

What I do see as a critical point is the d-line. I prefer to watch the defense and if there's one thing that's obvious it's that it all begins with a pass rush. And that that pass rush starts at the point of attack with the D-line. As soon as your big men create those double team scenario's, the rest will come. Even with average OLBs.

And Clay is all but an average OLB.
porky88
13 years ago

Yep.. of course the defense is vanilla.. it is preseason, but that doesn't mean guys should not be winning individual battles and standing up the blockers. No dots need connecting.

All I am saying, again it is early, that I think we are behind at the point of attack at this point comparatively looking at the competition, again most notably beyond the first string.

Preseason games, especially early games, are mostly about guys standing out and earning a spot on the team past the starters.. getting put in situations so the coaching staffs can evaluate. As noted many times.. been that way since the start of time.

But the still doesn't change the on both sides of the ball we struggled more than we didn't.. and it is early and correctable.. nothing to fret about but just the same we have work to do in a competitive nature.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


I think you're reading too much into it or just attempting to drive up discussion. 😄

By the way, I firmly believe the latter.

Mike Neal made a nice tackle on Peyton Hillis. He showed nice pursuit on a few plays. B.J. Raji wasn't anywhere to be seen, but Alex Mack whipped him in last year's preseason game as well. I believe Clay Matthews played four plays.

In my view, the line play is a mild concern coming from this game. Well, unless you're concerned neither Lang nor Sherrod really did anything to jump out.

Erik Walden in pass coverage looks concerning. Patrick Lee was awful, and Marshall Newehouse did not play as local media has advertised him. Frankly, Graham Harrell was holding onto the ball too long and wasn't decisive at all.

Flynn and Rodgers played fine. The first and second team offenses played fine. The third team offense looked like a third team offense.

Look, I understand wanting to see more aggression out of some of the guys, but I saw nothing that has me believing the Packers are behind of their schedule or the schedule of other teams such as Atlanta.
vikesrule
13 years ago

I... lets see.. hell no. lol.

Your triangle of authority built it.. and well you have to deal with it. Curious.. how did they look sans McKinnie?

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Well, without McKinnie, the Vikes O-line lost about half the collective weight.

Seems that some think that we have hit bottom....hopefully not.

NFL Offensive Line rankings 
Number 32. Minnesota Vikings

LT: *Charlie Johnson
LG: Steve Hutchinson
C: John Sullivan
RG: *Chris DeGeare
RT: Phil Loadholt

This offensive line was a liability last season, and it's gotten much worse. Right guard Anthony Herrera (ACL, triceps surgeries) is likely headed for PUP to open the season, but he's not the Vikings' biggest loss. That honor goes to left tackle Bryant McKinnie, who gained so much unhealthy weight during the lockout that Minnesota had to release him a few days into camp. Johnson has been getting eaten alive by Jared Allen and Everson Griffen so far in August, and is better suited to guard. Hutchinson's performance has declined so rapidly that there were rumors he'd be cut in the offseason. Sullivan is replacement-level at best and DeGeare is a total projection.
Adrian Peterson will be running behind the worst offensive line of his career this season.


dfosterf
13 years ago

Well, without McKinnie, the Vikes O-line lost about half the collective weight.

Seems that some think that we have hit bottom....hopefully not.


Originally Posted by: vikesrule 




Did you see that Bears o-line? That was bad.

Bad can be good, right about now. Our line looked "all-world" last year, in the pre-season, imo.

Then the real games started, with the real defenses, and they went back to their usual collective suckage.

Aaron learned how to duck, and we got better, but that's another story, for another day.

I'm just saying, again- at this time, there's a real argunent to be made for "bad" over "good", for corrective/collective over-confidence//arrogance-purposes amongst the o-linemen.

It's a theory.

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