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DoddPower
Veteran Member

13 years ago

I've never thought of military service as a great paying gig. Give me a civilian job any day. I'm sure there are exceptions for some high level officers and such, but considering many of those people are away from home 24/7 for extended periods of time, the "great pay" seems pretty insignificant to me. I prefer to work my 8-5 and be done with it until the next day (although that isn't how it always works out).

I personally don't understand why most people join the military unless they have few other career options. I understand there can be many benefits for some, but for the few dozen people I know that have served, they did so much more out of lack of better options than any true desire to be honorable and protect the innocent. I'm certainly grateful that I don't have to be in the military, but for many of the people I know, it's simply a job and a way to make a paycheck. Although, the lure of being able to shoot big guns never hurts either, right? 😉

Rockmolder
Honored Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#12

I figured NSD would get bashed from all sides because of that comment...

Now, I believe that these guys give up a lot and it's obvious that Cobb is a grown man playing a kid's game, while the marine is risking his life for whatever reason he gets thrown into a conflict.

And that's the beauty of it... Cobb knows this.

That said, it's not like you still get drafted to the marine, it's not like these guys are horribly underpaid or anything, especially for their general educational level. No one forces them to join the military, it's just the path they took themselves.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like I don't respect these guys... Quite a few of them have seen things and done things that make all my problems seem so awfully petty. A lot of them don't get the support they need when they do get back from a conflict etc, but it's just that this patriotism and glorifying of military personal is something typical American... And something I also, sometimes, see as a bit of an exaggeration.

vikesrule
Registered

13 years ago

#13

... but it's just that this patriotism and glorifying of military personal is something typical American... And something I also, sometimes, see as a bit of an exaggeration.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder

140 soldiers were wounded in action

Rockmolder
Honored Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#14

140 soldiers were wounded in action

Originally Posted by: vikesrule

I'm not trying to come of as heartless here. There are Dutch soldiers who have sacrificed a lot and, especially for those involved, we do not give enough thanks and thoughts for them. We have two minutes of silence once a year and that's it. The rest are short news bulletins. Nothing like you guys have over there, where there's a 24-hour news cycle going on about the SEAL team that was taken down, for instance...

Again, they see and do things on nearly a daily basis that would make me piss my pants. There's no way I could possibly understand what they're going through. It's just that I see where NSD is coming from. They do join the military themselves and 99 out of a 100 would not be in the military if it wasn't for the decent paycheck, compared to the level of education necessary to join the army.

That doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be honored or deserve better care when they come home, for instance, but they're just not the godly, flawless heroes, in my eyes, that US society appears to make them out to be.

vikesrule
Registered

13 years ago

#15

. They do join the military themselves and 99 out of a 100 would not be in the military if it wasn't for the decent paycheck, compared to the level of education necessary to join the army.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder

Good thing for you that the Dutch resistance in WWII did not see it that way.

Pack93z
Select Member

13 years ago

#16

And the fact he's wearing red and blue and has stripes on his shoulders makes him special how . . . ?

It's a job, people, and he's well compensated for it. He probably makes more than most of you.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

Déjà vu.. I will try an respect your opinion, but paint my view upon it.

IMO, it isn't his attire that makes him special.. it may not be directly for the "job" he did, it is a representation of him and those before him that have traveled abroad, left everything behind and at times went into harms way. Some never to return.. some to return but never be the same.

Tell them how well the compensation was.

So while this young man may or may not "deserve" to be treated special, there is little doubt that some that donned those same stripes have earned it with their life or some portion of it.

That is the premise most people I know honor. The very least we can do for their sacrifice is to respect and hold some honor for their sacrifices of today, yesterday and those of tomorrow.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Rockmolder
Honored Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#17

Good thing for you that the Dutch resistance in WWII did not see it that way.

Originally Posted by: vikesrule

You don't think the dynamics have changed a bit since then? And why are resistance forces so small and underground?... It's only the selfless and utmost patriotic that join them. That's a completely different story.

Same thing for a lot of the drafted soldiers that went on to fight in WWII. They didn't have a choice, they got thrown in there for the good of their nation and the world.

Again, it's an amazing feat to be able to fight in a conflict and not have it break you. To be that brave. I couldn't do it. But the soldiers who are there, they did know what they signed up for. They liked the money enough to take that amazing risk. Maybe a couple have that amazing patriotic reasoning that Pat Tillman had, which is even more impressive.

Again, I'm not downgrading what they're doing, it's just that they signed up themselves. They understand, to some degree, what they're signing up for.

DakotaT
Select Member

13 years ago

#18

We should be paying these servicemen their normal salaries and when they go to war, they get their regular salaries plus dividends from the corporations of the war machine instead of taxpayer money. I'm proud of these young men and women that put their lives on the line for all of us. I'm not so proud of the scumbags becoming millionaires off the backs and lives of these brave young people.

As for Mr. Cobb; I believe we have a very bright young man on our hands and I see good things in his future, barring injury of course.

vikesrule
Registered

13 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder

I understand your thoughts on this my young Dutch friend, it is just a difference of opinion...perhaps a generational thing.

However, with that, you do bring up an interesting premise. The paycheck.
Is it OK for any nation (the US definitely included) to rely on the the majority of it's military service personal to come from the middle to lower classes of its society.
Or should it be the responsibility and duty of all peoples to serve their country is some manner?....akin to the Israelis.

Pack93z
Select Member

13 years ago

#20

Again, I'm not downgrading what they're doing, it's just that they signed up themselves. They understand, to some degree, what they're signing up for.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder

Is that not a all the more reason to at least show some respect for them and their choice to if called upon to do so, to make sacrifices and maybe the ultimate one.

I know NSD may chime in with the examples of enlisted personnel disrespecting those same colors, but as you say the "dynamics have changed a bit" over the course of time. Or that there will always be examples of those that wish to swim upstream.. especially in today's world of reduced code of ethics in general.

To me.. it doesn't change the fact of those that have sacrificed in the name of our country deserve any less respect.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

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