Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

The elite QBs: are they lucky or just real good?
 
Cold, Hard Football Facts for October 29, 2010

By Nate Dunlevy
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BrettFavre drops back to pass. Then he just drops. Then he picks himself up. Then he fires toward the end zone where Randy Moss is waiting. The ball sails over Moss’s head, ending the last hope of a Vikings comeback.

That’s how Green Bay’s 28-24 win over Minnesota ended last Sunday. For one week at least, Aaron Rodgers gets the win in a close game.

No one has ever claimed that Rodgers has it easy. BrettFavre still casts a long shadow in Green Bay (well, most of him does anyway). Despite the four-point win over the Vikings, the Pack has struggled in close games.

Many have questioned Rodgers' ability to perform in the clutch. After all, the Pack is just 7-14 in games decided by 8 points or less during Rodgers' tenure as quarterback.

Does that mean that Rodgers is a failure a “clutch” QB? To examine the question, let's look at the elite quarterbacks from the past five years and compare them with three of the most controversial signal callers in the league.

Without question, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Brett Favre and the now-retired Kurt Warner have the most distinguished resumes in the NFL over the past five years. All have won Super Bowl during their careers, and the group boasts 15 different MVP awards between the regular season and the Super Bowl.

This second group of quarterbacks has been statistically elite, but their teams have struggled mightily this year and none of them has had much postseason success: Phil Rivers, Tony Romo, and Rodgers.

Record in games decided by 8 points or less since 2005 through Week 6 2010 (including playoffs):

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As you can see, Rodgers has indeed lost a lot of close games as Packers quarterback. However, it's also plain that most elite quarterbacks have roughly .500 records in close games.

The only exceptions are Brady, who is an incredible 20-11 in games decided by 8 points or less, and Manning, whose team wins close games at almost the exact same clip it wins all games. In other words, there's a reason Manning and Brady get all the hype: when the game is on the line, none of the other elite quarterbacks are even close.

Wins and losses don't tell the whole story, however. Let's see how these men actually played during close games.

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Despite the worst winning percentage on the list, the numbers say that Rodgers has actually played very well in tight games. In fact, none of these elite quarterbacks have played nearly as well in losses as Rodgers has (see note on Brady and Manning).

Averages don't tell the whole story either. How often did each man play well and poorly in close wins and losses?

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When Manning or Brady play supremely in a close game, their teams rarely lose. When Rodgers has a big game, if the score is close, the Packers are likely to be on the wrong end of it.

Rodgers has never had a true stinker in a close game, but his record is terrible anyway. He has good ratings in close games as often or more often than many of the quarterbacks on the list. He's never had a statistically awful day in a close loss, but still his record lags behind the other elite quarterbacks of today.

It may be that football involves more luck than anyone wants to admit. The fact is that Rodgers has probably had more than his share of bad luck.

So who is getting all the good luck? Try Eli Manning. His career record in close games is a glittering 25-13 (.658), despite posting ratings of 86.8 in wins, 83.2 in losses, and 85.6 overall. His Giants win lots of close games, and Eli just does his thing, playing about the same in wins and losses alike. The Packers lose close games under Rodgers no matter how well he plays.

Sometimes, that's just how the ball bounces.

The best example of this last Sunday was actually Ben Roethlisberger against the Dolphins. With just minutes remaining in the game, Big Ben dove for a go-ahead touchdown, but fumbled the ball into the end zone where the Dolphins recovered.

Roethlisberger was lucky, however. The official missed the call, ruling the play a touchdown. There was a clear replay showing he fumbled before reaching the goal line. But there was no clear replay angle showing the recovery by Miami. Pittsburgh was awarded the ball at the one, and kicked a game winning field goal.

Roethlisberger had an excellent passer rating on Sunday, and it will go down in the books as a close game win, and a fourth-quarter comeback.

The record books won't show just how much luck was involved in getting there.

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Methodology notes:

Close games were determined by final margin of victory. I realize this is not perfect because it eliminates close games where a late turnover skewed the final score (like Favre verses the Jets this season). However, it does provide an effective snap shot of how the players performed on days when a play or two could have made the difference for their teams.

Certain games for Manning, Brady, and Rivers were disregarded from the 'close game' totals because they played sparingly in end of season contests. These numbers were included in their total winning percentage and yearly stats, simply because it was easier to calculate, and not significant.

Both Manning and Brady suffered close losses in which they had particularly bad games. Manning threw 6 picks against San Diego in 2008, and Brady threw four against Indianapolis in 2005. Because they had so few total close losses, their close loss passer ratings were both artificially depressed because of one game. Take away the one loss to San Diego and Manning's close loss rating jumps to 91.1. Brady's would jump to 83.6.

Romo's role in Monday night's close loss to the Cowboys was not calculated because he did not play the second half.


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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
The follow-up piece to the above article.

NFL quarterbacks and the fine line between between lucky and clutch-y 
Cold, Hard Football Facts for February 7, 2011

By Nate Dunlevy
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Update: This piece originally ran back in October. Ironically, Aaron Rodgers, the original inspiration, was voted the Most Valuable Players of the Super Bowl on Sunday. This is ironic, because just a few months ago, many were ripping Rodgers for not playing well in the clutch. The Cold Hard Football Facts leapt to his defense, showing that he had played well in close losses, and that there's a lot of luck to winning close games.

Since this piece ran, Rodgers' Packers went 4-2 in one-score games, and he had a passer rating of 101.2 in those contests. Three of those wins came in the playoffs. This performance raised his overall record in close games to 11-16. No one questions his "clutchness" any more. He got it done on the biggest of big stages.

Ben Roethlisberger, on the other hand, had a reputation for clutch performance spring up overnight. Analysts, at a loss to reconcile his poor play with the fact that Steelers kept winning, created a myth that he possessed some special ability to raise his play at the end of games. The Cold, Hard Football Facts perpetuated this story, too.

It no longer mattered how poorly Ben played all game long, he'd get it done when it counted. That was theh storyline. It would have been easier just to say that the Steelers were winning thanks to their defense, but the media loves to give quarterbacks all the credit.

The result was a slew of talking heads spouting about how if they had to pick one player to win one game with one drive, it would be Roethlisberger (CHFF never went that far). It was a stunning turn around, considering that no one would have mentioned him six months ago as the most "clutch" player in the league.

It was all put to the ultimate test on Sunday night. In the end, it proved to be utterly false. Roethlisberger had his chance to win the Super Bowl with a clutch drive, but completed just 2 of 5 passes and turned the ball over on downs.

The result shouldn't have been a surprise. Since this piece first posted, the Steelers went 4-2 in close games (2-1 in the playoffs), but Roethlisberger did not play well, putting up a rating of just 77.8 in those games. He now stands just 25-21 in close games for his career, lagging well behind the only two men who have consistently won tight games since 2005: Peyton Manning (39-14) and Tom Brady (23-12). Roethlisberger, like most of the best signal callers around, is little more than a coin flip to win if the score is close.

In Super Bowl XLIII, he got it done. In Super Bowl XLV, he didn't. As this piece shows, that's how it works for most guys in the NFL. Sometimes you get it done, sometimes you don't.

Winning close games in the NFL still appears to be mostly about luck. Aaron Rodgers finally got some breaks to go his way, and now he's a Super Bowl champion. As for Ben Roethlisberger, we've lost track … is he clutch or not? The numbers say he's neither. He's just your typical elite quarterback. He's wins some, and he loses some.

As for the media who creates these myths, don't worry about them. They've named Rodgers the best quarterback in the game, because he's right now. Last week, it was Roethlisberger. Last month, it was Tom Brady. A year ago, it was Drew Brees. The week before that it was Peyton Manning. Next year, it will be someone else.

They won't let the Cold Hard Facts stop them from telling us who is and isn't clutch.


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azrunning
13 years ago
Interesting but it seems like passer rating in the 4th quarter of close games (not the whole game) might be a more telling stat of "clutchness". I agree though, looks like a lot of it is luck (which can also be called defense or special teams).
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Since69
13 years ago
Good articles, although Dunlevy sounds like a Bears' fan to me... He recovered well in the second article though. Props for that.

Best line of the article...

BrettFavre still casts a long shadow in Green Bay (well, most of him does anyway)

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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
I believe he is actually a Colts fan. At least, he writes for a Colts-oriented website.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
Goes to show what I've known all along - that CHFF is one of the better ones and the general media sucks.
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nerdmann
13 years ago
Rodgers is clutch. Bob Sanders' defense was NOT. Especially after all the injuries in '08. Look back to Arodge's college career. He was clutch then too.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago
Rodgers lead a bunch of 4th quarter come from behind scores or FG tries that the D and ST let him down on in'08.

If they had held up, he would have won 5 more games and had a much better record in close games at 16-11.

In the losses last year, there were some dropped TDs including the one that Jennings turned over to a Detroit DB. I would say there could be as many a 3-4 more wins that he would have had if it were not for other people's mistakes. 19-8 would be more in the range of Manning and Brady. The passer rating is already up there.

Rodgers did his job, they can't pin the losses on him.


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mi_keys
13 years ago
Good articles, though I don't know why his conclusion has to be that close games are luck since it's not whether the quarterback playing well that necessarily decides the contests. That conclusion ignores the importance of the other 21 starters on offense and defense as well as the play of the special teams. As someone pointed out, his first year suffered quite often from the defense or special teams choking when Rodgers and the offense put the Pack in a position to win. The Carolina game in particular comes to mind, as we stormed back from 14 down to take a 3 point lead inside the two minute warning, only to fall behind again two or three plays later. That's not luck, that's shitty defense.

As for the main focus of the article, the notion that Rodgers couldn't play in the clutch was a notion I vehemently rejected. I'm glad I was right for once.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
A close reading of the articles reveals that he lumps all those factors you mentioned under the category of "luck."
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