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Don't believe the hype.

Even though Aaron Rodgers has put together an impressive résumé that includes a Super Bowl title and an MVP award, he is not in the same class with Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. In fact, he might not even be worthy of being placed above Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger on a list of the league's best quarterbacks.

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This is not meant to dismiss Rodgers' numerous accomplishments over his six-year career, but the momentum of his scintillating postseason run has led many to proclaim him the league's top quarterback without fully examining where he stands against the best. That's saying a lot, considering Rodgers' numerous accomplishments over the past three years since taking over for the legendary Brett Favre in Green Bay.

Rodgers has topped the 4,000-yard mark in two of his three seasons as a starter and was only a missed game away from surpassing the feat this season (Rodgers finished with 3,922 passing yards in 15 games in 2010). He has been the model of efficiency in the pocket by compiling a passer rating over 100 in two of his three seasons, while also connecting on over 64-percent of his passes during that span. His touchdown-to-interception ratio of 87:32 is outstanding, and few have matched his success as a starter.

Rodgers' combination of poise, patience and accuracy makes him tough to defend. He shows uncanny timing and precision in the pocket, and is superb with his ball placement, hitting his receivers in stride. Although he is able to pick apart defenses with a "connect the dots" approach, he is also an excellent deep-ball thrower with the arm strength, touch and accuracy to punish defenses for creeping up to defend the short game.

In addition to being proficient from the pocket, Rodgers is a dual threat with the ability to hurt opponents with his feet and arm. He ranked only behind Michael Vick and Josh Freeman in rushing yards among quarterbacks last season, and his scrambling skills often result in big plays.

While all aspects of Rodgers' game rate highly, he is surrounded by an outstanding supporting cast that makes the game easier for him. He inherited an offense that was among the game's elite under Favre, and the continued development of the league's best receiving corps makes it hard to credit Rodgers solely for the unit's remarkable output. Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, and James Jones are big, physical receivers with excellent running skills. They specialize in turning short passes into big gainers.

In comparison, Rivers and Manning continued to put up big numbers despite playing with a hodgepodge of pass catchers over the past few years. Rivers, in particular, finished as the league's leading passer with a host of street free agents playing prominent roles. Granted, Rodgers can't control the level of talent surrounding him, but it is much easier to enjoy tremendous success when you have the weapons in place to thrive.


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Another overlooked factor in Rodgers' phenomenal run has been the presence of the league's top defense. On the surface, it wouldn't appear that the Packers' defense would have an effect on Rodgers' play, but the added opportunities created off turnovers and three-and-outs leads to short fields and more scoring opportunities. Over the past two seasons, the defense has finished among the top six units in takeaways, and the extra possessions have certainly led to more big plays and production from Rodgers.

Manning, for example, has never been backed by an elite defense, yet he has continued to make the Colts one of the league's most productive units. The Colts led the league in 2010 with 34 10-play scoring drives, with 21 of those resulting in touchdowns.The Packers only produced 17 10-play scoring drives, but finished fifth in the league in points off takeaways.

A laundry list of impressive statistics is certainly a big part in deciding between the best quarterbacks, but it ultimately comes down to winning championships. Rodgers' Super Bowl XLV victory earns him a spot in the conversation, but it is hard to consider him better than Brady and Roethlisberger based on their multiple championship victories.

Brady, who has earned three Super Bowl rings in four tries, is considered the quintessential winner of the modern game. He became the fastest quarterback in the league to win 100 games as a starter, and his flair for orchestrating dramatic comebacks in Super Bowl has cemented his status as the top quarterback in the game.

Roethlisberger has already captured two rings in seven seasons. Although some would say he won his first title in spite of his performance, he earned his stripes with his stirring performance in Super Bowl XLIII over the Arizona Cardinals. His game-winning drive was orchestrated in dramatic fashion with a pinpoint pass to Santonio Holmes winning the game.

While Roethlisberger doesn't compare stylistically to Rodgers, his rings and winning pedigree make it hard to dismiss his standing as one of the top quarterbacks in the game.

Rodgers has deservedly earned a spot at the table with the elite quarterbacks after his scintillating postseason run that resulted in his first Super Bowl title. However, a legacy is built over time, and his résumé is simply too short to put him above some of the great signal callers still playing at a high level in today's game



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i dont believe that Rodgers is the best QB, but some of this guys arguments are trash.

1. Roethlisberger has a good D last i checked...
2. Manning had Harrison/Wayne/Clark, probably the best recieving group at the time.
3. Rivers had good targets too in Gates, V.Jackson, and Floyyd
4. Brees has great recievers and the D had loads of INTs in their SB year
5. Brady had Moss (a HoF lock), Welker in his recent SB year and has only broken 4k yards 3 times.
6. Manning,Brees,Rivers have waay more rings than Arod /heavy sarcasm
7. Bucky acts like Rodgers can control what talent is around him.

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14 years ago
1) Anyone who puts Roethlisberger in this conversation based solely on the fact he has two rings instantly loses all credibility, and the rest of his argument can probably be dismissed out of hand. In 13 postseason games, Roethlisberger has thrown a whopping 19 touchdowns to 16 interceptions, for godsake.

2) Show me a single one of those quarterbacks whose rating has increased in the postseason, much less remained over 100, and then we can talk.

This article is nothing more than an uncreative attempt to snag hits by latching onto the tired meme: no matter what Rodgers does, it's never enough.

Had Favre put together a string of seasons like this, you wouldn't be able to see the commentators, your TV screen would be so filled with jizz.
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Arodge's WRs specialize in making short passes into big gainers!?
1: By "short passes" does he mean "anything less than 40 yards downfield?"
2: Look at all the drops these guys had. You could probably make the case that they held him back.
3: Running game? What running game?
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🤦 Another spastic claim to get people frothing at the mouth and swarming their site. This lock out needs to end soon.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I love how "one pass" out of an entire career of relative mediocrity is enough for a quarterback to earn his stripes.
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As expected, he ends up leaning heavily on the "lifetime achievement" argument. He also makes several other dumb points, which you guys have already pointed out. But I'm sure he'll get plenty of responses.
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14 years ago
I love when people want to use numbers to try and make a point but only use the regular season. Like playoff stats and accomplishments don't count or aren't even MORE important than the regular season.

Also for some reason no matter what Rodgers actually does on the field he will always be the guy with "the receivers who led the league in YAC in 2007". Lets ignore the fact that he gets more yards through the air and throws more deep passes than almost every QB in the NFL.
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bozz_2006
14 years ago
I honestly don't care what some inflammatory "journalist" thinks. They're all completely full of BS and only care about hits for their site. Everyone knows Rodgers is the f'n man.
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14 years ago
Rodgers great but must accomplish more to be called best QB??

That's fine, all I care about is he's called Super Bowl MVP and he's part of the World Champion Green Bay Packers. Chomp on that.
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Read this yesterday.. what a hypocritical label filled waste of bandwidth upon the web.. you go Bucky.



I hope Rodgers reads this article.. one filled with backhand compliment after compliment, harnesses it much like his draft day slide. Plays lights out this season and the gives Bucky the Colin Cowherd treatment.



Hoist the hardware and utter him silent, in embarrassment, with politeness; but with that underlying hard right jab to the guts.
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Rodgers great but must accomplish more to be called best QB??

That's fine, all I care about is he's called Super Bowl MVP and he's part of the World Champion Green Bay Packers. Chomp on that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



This. Recognition would be nice, but at the end of the day, all I care about is keeping ARod healthy and with a good supporting cast. Maybe once he gets another couple rings the Brady/Manning lovefest will end. But until then, just happy to have one SB victory and one awesome QB.
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14 years ago

Even though Aaron Rodgers has put together an impressive résumé that includes a Super Bowl title and an MVP award, he is not in the same class with Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. In fact, he might not even be worthy of being placed above Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger on a list of the league's best quarterbacks.



I stopped reading after that.
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14 years ago
"Manning, for example, has never been backed by an elite defense, yet he has continued to make the Colts one of the league's most productive units. The Colts led the league in 2010 with 34 10-play scoring drives, with 21 of those resulting in touchdowns.The Packers only produced 17 10-play scoring drives, but finished fifth in the league in points off takeaways."
What this writer forgets to say is the year the Colts won it all was the year their defense caught fire in the play-offs and carried them to the SB win.

Brady and crew haven't won the big one since their so-called "hof" coach was caught cheating.

Big Ben was carried his first SB win, he did pull out the 2nd, but as we have already seen, head to head, AR has come out on top.

Give AR a few more years and then revisit this article. IMHO he will top the list.
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Is it just me, or does the orange print in buckeye's post appear to be floating in front of the computer screen? It's an awesome effect. I'm not sure if it's supposed to look like that.

Anyway, buckeye, I'm glad you brought this point up, because it was a really dumb one on the part of the writer. When a QB has a bad defense, he is more likely to put up big numbers, especially in the regular season, because the games often turn into shootouts. But of course a good defense is much better for generating wins and championships. This writer tries to play it both ways in this article.
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I’m not sure what NFL.com is talking about with the expert debate. I actually read their choices and I counted three for Aaron Rodgers.

Regardless, I will not dismiss the accomplishments of Brady and Manning, but it is worth noting that Brady and Manning have won fewer postseason games since 08 than Aaron Rodgers. Keep in mind, that still holds true when combining Brady and Manning’s postseason wins.

Manning is 2-3 in the playoffs since 08.

Brady is 0-2 since 08. Both of Brady's losses came at home.

Aaron Rodgers is 4-1 and all five games were on the road.

That is the mark of a big game QB.

Now, I agree Rodgers needs to put together more accomplishments before he's anointed into pro football history. However, this is not history. This is present day NFL. In today's NFL, Rodgers is every bit the player of any of those QBs Bucky Brooks listed. That is unless you can make a case that Rodgers' career will take a Kurt Warner like slide. If someone believes Rodgers is going to follow the path of Warner, then just say so. I get the feeling that is what some people are pondering. You do it once and everyone wants you to do it again. I believe that is fair enough.

Still, as I said in the other thread, currently it is 2011 and not 2004. The NFL is always changing and to fear change is to become a product of your past. When that happens in football, teams take a Kurt Warner style nosedive. The league is evolving and so are the players. You have to keep up with that in my view.

Right now, I wouldn't trade Rodgers for any other QB in pro football. If I had to win one game, I would want Rodgers. Perhaps I would choose differently if given a certain hypothetical situation, but that is not the debate of the top 100 of 2011 series.

Certainly, Rodgers is not without flaws, but give me five more years of Aaron Rodgers in his prime and I'm good to go. Five years from now, I might want Andrew Luck over any other QB in pro football. I rather have a guy in his prime than a guy at the twilight of his career, which is why I would take Rodgers over Brady and Manning.
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If I had to win one game, not only would I want Arodge, but I'd probably take the rest of our offense with him.
As for who I'd take in 5 years? Dunno, but I bet you they'll have someone waiting in the wings.
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14 years ago
Nerdmann, if I had the choice, I wouldn't take our offensive line under any circumstances. They are so lucky to have a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers to make them look even passable. Had they not been blessed with such a mobile, improvisational quarterback, most of them probably would have been playing for other teams or even unemployed right now.
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The offensive line is the only questionable part of our offense. And they will be improved this year. MARK IT DOWN!
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14 years ago
Put Arod behind the Pats O-line the last several years and give him a bunch of undrafted rookies and they would still say how lucky he got with his recievers having breakout years at once.

How many great seasons after another can they keep bringing up the lifetime achievement speech. It still holds a small smount of weight, but really that weight gets a whole lot lighter every year he puts in the books.
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Aaron Rodgers is 4-1 and all five games were on the road.

That is the mark of a big game QB.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



damn... never thought of that.

Its ok though, Rodgers dominates in domes

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