Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Once upon a time, I seem to remember reading that it was the players who decided who got rings. Not just the admin.

And if so, does that change things at all with respect to the rightness/wrongness of Bell not getting one?

Originally Posted by: Wade 



If true, that could help explain why Al Harris got a ring. Either way, I don't see the harm in giving each player that was on the roster a ring. Whether they were on IR or not.

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14 years ago
I agree. Personally, were I in such a position, I'd err on the side of giving a few too many rather than a few too few. I mean, if a couple extra people get rings, its not going to cheapen things that much. Is there a big difference of being one of only a 98 ring-bearers and being one of only 100?

Of course it's easy for me to say -- it's not me spending five figures for each ring. On the other hand, a few tens of thousands is chickenfeed to an NFL franchise.
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14 years ago

I agree. Personally, were I in such a position, I'd err on the side of giving a few too many rather than a few too few. I mean, if a couple extra people get rings, its not going to cheapen things that much. Is there a big difference of being one of only a 98 ring-bearers and being one of only 100?

Of course it's easy for me to say -- it's not me spending five figures for each ring. On the other hand, a few tens of thousands is chickenfeed to an NFL franchise.

Originally Posted by: Wade 




I think the NFL pays for the first 150 rings.

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The NFL pays for the cost of 150 rings to the winning team, at roughly $5,000 apiece, depending upon the fluctuating cost of gold and diamonds. The winning team can typically present rings to whomever they choose, including usually, but not limited to: players (active roster or injured), coaches, trainers, executives, personnel, and general staff. Some teams have also been known to give rings to former players, despite not having been on the winning roster.[1] Teams can distribute any number of rings, but must pay for any over the 150-ring limit.


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14 years ago
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The Green Bay Packers will hold their Super Bowl ring deal this evening at Lambeau Field.

Here’s who’s invited — everyone but cornerback Josh Bell and you.

Fact of the matter is, you probably don’t deserve a Super Bowl ring and neither does Josh Bell.

Bell was placed on injured reserve during training camp. The Packers offered him an injury settlement because they were going to release him at the time.

Bell instead chose to remain with the team and rehab his injured foot.

Essentially, the Packers cut Bell, but he wouldn’t leave, so they let him stay.

He’s kind of like the homeless guy who hangs out in the corner of the Y.

So, both you and Josh Bell can go over to Lambeau tonight and press your face up against the windows and try to get a look at the boys getting those rings slipped on their fingers.


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14 years ago
Eh.

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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PackerTraxx
14 years ago
I believe the classy thing to do would have been to give him a ring, He was here, he wanted to stay in GB, he was here last year. Maybe there's something they are not tellling us.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I believe the classy thing to do would have been to give him a ring, He was here, he wanted to stay in GB, he was here last year. Maybe there's something they are not tellling us.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



He wanted to stay in GB or collect the larger paycheck of being on IR than he would have received via settlement?
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TengoJuego
14 years ago
It must be a bittersweet moment for I.R. guys who didn't really play an "on the field" role in getting their ring. Ryan Grant, Jermichael Finley, Nick Barnett, Morgan Burnett, etc. Or, perhaps, that's just me, and my way of thinking. If I'm an Al Harris, or Josh Bell, I wouldn't even want the ring. It's a representation of accomplishment for an individual season. And although I love Al to death, and know he worked his hardest to achieve a ring in his contributions, he never "earned" it.

But, if it was a team decision, and this is what was elected to be, then I have no real argument against it.
nerdmann
14 years ago
They should give him a free cubic zirconium version from the Pro Shop.
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14 years ago
Actually, if I were Josh Bell and really wanted to be an asshole, I'd find a sleazeball attorney and sue the Packers for breach of contract.

And here's what I as the sleazeball attorney would argue:

When a team puts a player on injured reserve, that has a particular meaning under the contract that they and Bell already agreed to. Namely, that people on IR are there (and therefore a member of the team) until either the team cuts him or until they reach a mutually-agreed-upon settlement. The "agreed upon" is key: You don't unilaterally get to change the contract. You can "settle" if both parties agree to give up something that the contract entitles them to (in effect replacing the old contract with a new contract called "the settlement"). But the Packers can't decide to add a new contract restriction without that settlement.

Given that every other person put on IR and for whom no injury settlement was reached (Finley, Barnett, et al) was given a ring, I would argue that that means Bell should get one, too. He wasn't required to take an injury settlement any more than Nick Barnett was. So what if that pissed the Packers or his teammates off? That's exactly part of the reason why "breach of contract" is a remedy at law -- to prevent the person with more bargaining power from backing out on something they already agreed to except as provided under the specific terms of the contract.

To me, that's not even sleazy lawyering. It's Contract Law 101.

The harder argument would be getting specific performance (i.e., getting an actual ring). Courts don't like to do that in breach of contract cases unless there is something unique about what has not been performed. While Super Bowl ring-wearers are a rather exclusive club, the courts would do whatever it could to avoid that and just award money damages of whatever it cost to make Bell whole. Say the market value of a superbowl ring.

Which is where the real sleazy lawyering comes in. If I were a sleazy lawyer, I'd tack on a claim for punitive damages, citing bad faith, intentional causing of emotional distress, etc.. etc. It's sleazy because its just a technique for being a nuisance and getting a settlement more to your liking. It's used because, well, it can work. Especially if the other side has a pristine reputation that any sleazy lawyer worth his salt knows how to drag through the mud in ways that hurt said reputation.

Aren't you glad I'm not a sleazy lawyer? 🙂
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