nerdmann
13 years ago

What I think is astounding and unbelievable is that you people actually assume Grant is going to be coming back at full strength. (But then you are probably the same individuals who assumed Aaron Kampman and Al Harris were sure bets to make the roster after their injuries too -- or for that matter, that it is silly for the Packers to draft more wide receivers because they already have one of the best receiving corps in the league.) How many consecutive years must this team start out slow on the rushing front before you stop placing so much faith in it? And for that matter, why are you so blithely assuming he won't get reinjured and be lost for yet another season? It would not surprise me at all if one of the newcomers supplants Grant early in the season, even if Grant does make one of his typical midseason resurgences and take back the reins later in the season.

That being said, I do believe that Grant goes into the season as the presumptive starter, if only because I think the coaching staff will give him more chances to prove himself than (I personally would think) he probably deserves. I just get annoyed when people dismiss other possibilities out of hand, mainly out of misplaced fan loyalty. How many people would have assumed that Sam Shields would become a starter who would play a role in the Super Bowl? And yet he did. So how is it any more unbelievable to think that one of our new RB prospects might supplant Ryan Grant?

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F'n blithe assumptions and shit.
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beast
13 years ago

What I think is astounding and unbelievable is that you people actually assume Grant is going to be coming back at full strength. (But then you are probably the same individuals who assumed Aaron Kampman and Al Harris were sure bets to make the roster after their injuries too -- or for that matter, that it is silly for the Packers to draft more wide receivers because they already have one of the best receiving corps in the league.) How many consecutive years must this team start out slow on the rushing front before you stop placing so much faith in it? And for that matter, why are you so blithely assuming he won't get reinjured and be lost for yet another season? It would not surprise me at all if one of the newcomers supplants Grant early in the season, even if Grant does make one of his typical midseason resurgences and take back the reins later in the season.

That being said, I do believe that Grant goes into the season as the presumptive starter, if only because I think the coaching staff will give him more chances to prove himself than (I personally would think) he probably deserves. I just get annoyed when people dismiss other possibilities out of hand, mainly out of misplaced fan loyalty. How many people would have assumed that Sam Shields would become a starter who would play a role in the Super Bowl? And yet he did. So how is it any more unbelievable to think that one of our new RB prospects might supplant Ryan Grant?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



So thinking Grant is better than the 3rd FB is misplaced fan loyalty?

Is it also misplaced fan loyalty to think when healthy Finley is better than the other TEs we have?

Is it misplace fan loyalty to think Rodgers is better than Flynn when he's healthy?

If they get and stay healthy, I think Grant, Finley and Rodgers will make the roster and do just fine.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

What I think is astounding and unbelievable is that you people actually assume Grant is going to be coming back at full strength. (But then you are probably the same individuals who assumed Aaron Kampman and Al Harris were sure bets to make the roster after their injuries too -- or for that matter, that it is silly for the Packers to draft more wide receivers because they already have one of the best receiving corps in the league.) How many consecutive years must this team start out slow on the rushing front before you stop placing so much faith in it? And for that matter, why are you so blithely assuming he won't get reinjured and be lost for yet another season? It would not surprise me at all if one of the newcomers supplants Grant early in the season, even if Grant does make one of his typical midseason resurgences and take back the reins later in the season.

That being said, I do believe that Grant goes into the season as the presumptive starter, if only because I think the coaching staff will give him more chances to prove himself than (I personally would think) he probably deserves. I just get annoyed when people dismiss other possibilities out of hand, mainly out of misplaced fan loyalty. How many people would have assumed that Sam Shields would become a starter who would play a role in the Super Bowl? And yet he did. So how is it any more unbelievable to think that one of our new RB prospects might supplant Ryan Grant?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




Hey Non, you must look at the draft like when you live in a college town and all that new tail comes in every September. I'm the same way, I love new blood on the team and if the incumbent isn't as good as the new guys - then it's time for him to join the Vikings. They're only here as long as it takes to find somebody better.

Hell, I already see more potential in Starks than Grant, and this new kid Green; after watching his highlihgt reel, looks like he will bring a dimension to the Packer we haven't had since the last A. Green was in town.

Grant will be given every opportunity to hold onto his job, unless we want to use his current salary to bring in my pet free agent acquisition Nmandi Ashomugha.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
If Brandon Jackson comes back at a good price and Alex Green shows some strong positive potential AND Ryan Grant doesn't appear to be 100%, that's the only way I could see Grant being cut.
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Rockmolder
13 years ago
I don't.

Green can show all the potential he wants, he's no Grant-type player. Jackson is the one who's going to lose his job to this kid. You don't want to risk it with Starks, who's history if injuries seems to be forgotten because of some decent running in the play-offs.

Grant is here to stay. At least for this year. See what he can do, if he's completely back, whether that injury has slowed him down or not. Starks will obviously see some more carries. Let's pray that he doesn't bust a knee or something.

And then Green won't see a lot of time, I reckon. We never incorporate our 3rd RB into our offense a whole lot, not like the Patriots do, for instance.

The only way I see him flash a bit or see Jackson make the roster, if is Grant will go on the PUP list, which would be a huge longshot, since his timetable for recovery would've most likely allowed him to have played some play-off games last year, had he not been on IR.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I don't think Ryan Grant gets cut.
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Rockmolder
13 years ago

I don't think Ryan Grant gets cut.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Yeah, I noticed, but even if BJ came back at the right price and Green flashes his potential, Grant still wouldn't be cut. That's what I meant to say.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I don't think Ryan Grant gets cut.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Yeah, I noticed, but even if BJ came back at the right price and Green flashes his potential, Grant still wouldn't be cut. That's what I meant to say.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I do not think Ryan Grant gets cut.
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DakotaT
13 years ago
We'll see boys. I remember another prominent high paid rb wearing number 25 that didn't fair too well coming back from an ankle injury. I wish Grant the best of luck but we have plenty of other options. I don't think we have the OL to impose our will in the running game anyway, just so there's a threat of a run game which Starks handled pretty will down the stretch.
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Rockmolder
13 years ago

We'll see boys. I remember another prominent high paid rb wearing number 25 that didn't fair too well coming back from an ankle injury. I wish Grant the best of luck but we have plenty of other options. I don't think we have the OL to impose our will in the running game anyway, just so there's a threat of a run game which Starks handled pretty will down the stretch.

"DakotaT" wrote:



You mean one-year-wonder-Levens?
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