CaliforniaCheez
13 years ago
The Union does not want a CBA. They want no league, just 32 teams.

No more national television contracts. No more teams sharing revenue.
No more league wide rules over off season workouts, length of training camps, no more league rules on drug testing or discipline for being arrested. No limit to the number of players each team has, no injured reserve, no practice squad. It would all be up to individual teams.

No restricting when a player can enter the NFL, no salary cap, no waiting to be a free agent, no pensions, no health benefits, no injury settlements, no minimum wage, no benefits except as stated in the individual players contract.

It might even violate anti-trust law to set onfield rules for game. So for some games say a horse collar tackle would be illegal, in other games it might not.

Think of 1920's absence of rules and oversight.

It could really wreck college football.

Fortunately for the Packers, they are in the upper half of revenues and if teams are paid individually based on the television ratings they generate the Packers will be fine because they are nationally a popular team. They can hold on for awhile.

The lowest revenue teams like the Raiders and vikings will be hurting. Teams without national following like the Bengals, Lions, Jaguars, and Bills will lose financially rather rapidly and become farm teams for the rest of the league. Think NBA and MLB. Huge salaries for some, lower for most. Declining future revenues.

A CBA and an anti-trust exemption were very valuable things the NFL had.
Competition made the NFL fun to watch as teams improved or declined every year. Now there will be the haves and the have nots.
The George Steinbrenners and the unknowns.
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StoicFire
13 years ago
I think this is all a bit dramatic. At this point no one should be up in arms about this one.

Right now there is no lockout, and this will continue unless the judges decision is stayed, which will likely be decided tomorrow. Ideally the decision will not be stayed.

This puts more pressure on the league. The fact that there is very little interest in the draft this year will probably serve as a strong reminder of how much money the league will lose if there is a lockout.

I would like to see the league cave in to players demands for more money before the appeal goes to court. At this point the owners should be scared, and willing to give up more money to the players in order to keep making money themselves. When the players are offered more money, they will accept a deal.

When they accept a deal, the league can set up rules. The league will ensure that there is draft, a salary cap, and all that stuff that we love about football. I am fairly certain that there won't be chaos.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I think rules have to be set up prior to any deal being accepted. I am not sure on this.
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IronMan
13 years ago
This lockout stuff frightens and confuses me. I'm just an unfrozen caveman Packers fan that wants to watch football.
wamj2008
13 years ago
I know I should be excited about the injunction against the lockout, but it's just the government getting involved in the affairs of a private entity. The owners assume 100% of the financial risk. This is what the NFLPA wanted. This is why they did not negotiate in good faith, and stalled and stalled until they could decertify. So I guess a union is just a union when it's convenient. Solidarity, brah.
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Wade
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13 years ago

I know I should be excited about the injunction against the lockout, but it's just the government getting involved in the affairs of a private entity. The owners assume 100% of the financial risk. This is what the NFLPA wanted. This is why they did not negotiate in good faith, and stalled and stalled until they could decertify. So I guess a union is just a union when it's convenient. Solidarity, brah.

"wamj2008" wrote:



Agreed.

The last time I was excited about the law was Courtney Thorne-Smith.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

I know I should be excited about the injunction against the lockout, but it's just the government getting involved in the affairs of a private entity. The owners assume 100% of the financial risk. This is what the NFLPA wanted. This is why they did not negotiate in good faith, and stalled and stalled until they could decertify. So I guess a union is just a union when it's convenient. Solidarity, brah.

"wamj2008" wrote:



Exactly what is the financial risk of having a NFL team? Of course we will never know because they won't open their books. The NFL is the golden goose and the greedy owners are going to kill if they screw around too long.
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TOPackerFan
13 years ago

Exactly what is the financial risk of having a NFL team?

"DakotaT" wrote:



You mean other than paying the billion dollars or so it would take to buy one these days? Keep in mind also that when most of the owners came on board, an NFL franchise wasn't the "sure thing" it seems to be today (though query how much of a sure thing it is to make a $10 millon or so profit on a $1 billion investment).
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DakotaT
13 years ago

Exactly what is the financial risk of having a NFL team?

"TOPackerFan" wrote:



You mean other than paying the billion dollars or so it would take to buy one these days? Keep in mind also that when most of the owners came on board, an NFL franchise wasn't the "sure thing" it seems to be today (though query how much of a sure thing it is to make a $10 millon or so profit on a $1 billion investment).

"DakotaT" wrote:



These rich men are in it totally for the prestige, and if they possibly could lose money it would be a write off against their real businesses. Please try again in making me feel sorry for the owners.
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Wade
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13 years ago
Amazing. I agree with the Dakota guy.

Now *that* tells you how effed up the NFL owners are. Only bigger evidence would be if vikesrule were found to agree with us as well.
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