djcubez
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13 years ago
Just from some tweets now:


AdamSchefter: Paperwork on decertification is all ready to go. Just waiting for final answer.

AdamSchefter: RT @AndrewSiciliano: Mort reporting NFLPA decertifies in federal court in Minneapolis

adbrandt: Decertification, as per @mortreport

MikeSilver:
NFLPA just applied for decertification. Antitrust lawsuit in Minnesota likely to follow. Fasten your seat belts.

SI_PeterKing:
@SI_JimTrotter: BREAKING: Union has faxed decertification papers to necessary parties, SI.com has learned.

adbrandt:
RT @richardjustice: It's on, baby! RT @judybattista: Union has officially decertified.



So now what the hell is going to happen?

Kind of off-topic but I was talking to my mom on the phone about the whole budget bill issue in Wisconsin and said "The NFL and NFLPA aren't really doing a good job of showing how collective bargaining is a good tool for compromise."

EDIT: Statement from NFLLockout.com about decertification.  For some reason my Firefox thinks decertification isn't a word.
djcubez
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13 years ago
Interesting tweet by Drew Brees:

MikeSilver:
Now THAT is a reliable source RT @drewbrees Not once have the players asked for more money during this negotiation. That is a FACT [via Twitter]



EDIT: More interesting tweet concerning what's going to happen in court:

JasonLaCanfora:
Judge Doty will be considering an injunction to prevent any potential lockout, as part of the Brees, Brady, Manning case vs. NFL, which ... [via Twitter]
JasonLaCanfora:
Will be aimed at challenging the league's anti-trust status. Likely looking at multiple court cases ahead [via Twitter]



I've never picked sides in this whole exchange but I really don't understand what the owners think they're doing.


Ugh, all I can think about is there being no NFL season. Court cases tend to drag on and on and on. With multiple cases this could take a while.
Tezzy
13 years ago
I am hoping the union gets blocked from decertifying the union, because it's a sham since they will just reform the union while they sue the NFL. If you want to decertify, then fine, decertify and play by your companies rules like the majority of employeed people in the world, or find a different employeer. I am not saying the owners and the league aren't just as culpable in this mess. Legally and through the justice system, this is not what unions should be able to do. Owners of business require protection as well.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/11/nfls-summary-of-its-final-proposal-to-the-players/ 


From first skimming over, seems like a good plan. I'd like to see what the NFLPA was proposing.
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shield4life
13 years ago
NFLPA should of took the deal. Seems to be a fair deal, specially when considering that the next 2 seasons would still be a 16 game season.

60% more retirement money is amazing too.
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djcubez
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13 years ago

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/11/nfls-summary-of-its-final-proposal-to-the-players/


From first skimming over, seems like a good plan. I'd like to see what the NFLPA was proposing.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



That does sound good but I wonder what they left out.
Greg C.
13 years ago

Kind of off-topic but I was talking to my mom on the phone about the whole budget bill issue in Wisconsin and said "The NFL and NFLPA aren't really doing a good job of showing how collective bargaining is a good tool for compromise."

"djcubez" wrote:



How is it even partly the NFL's job to show that collective bargaining is a good tool for compromise? If anything, they should want to do the opposite.

For that matter, it's not the NFLPA's goal either. The idea of collective bargaining is to get a better deal for the people who are part of the group, whether or not that involves compromise.
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djcubez
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13 years ago

Kind of off-topic but I was talking to my mom on the phone about the whole budget bill issue in Wisconsin and said "The NFL and NFLPA aren't really doing a good job of showing how collective bargaining is a good tool for compromise."

"Greg C." wrote:



How is it even partly the NFL's job to show that collective bargaining is a good tool for compromise? If anything, they should want to do the opposite.

For that matter, it's not the NFLPA's goal either. The idea of collective bargaining is to get a better deal for the people who are part of the group, whether or not that involves compromise.

"djcubez" wrote:



I wasn't trying to make a point. It was just a stupid joke.
Greg C.
13 years ago

Kind of off-topic but I was talking to my mom on the phone about the whole budget bill issue in Wisconsin and said "The NFL and NFLPA aren't really doing a good job of showing how collective bargaining is a good tool for compromise."

"djcubez" wrote:



How is it even partly the NFL's job to show that collective bargaining is a good tool for compromise? If anything, they should want to do the opposite.

For that matter, it's not the NFLPA's goal either. The idea of collective bargaining is to get a better deal for the people who are part of the group, whether or not that involves compromise.

"Greg C." wrote:



I wasn't trying to make a point. It was just a stupid joke.

"djcubez" wrote:



Oh, sorry. I didn't get it.
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macbob
13 years ago
Received an email from Roger Goodell today...


From: Roger Goodell [mailto:NFL@email.nfl.com]
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:32 PM
Subject: Letter from Roger Goodell

Dear NFL Fan,

When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players' union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players' union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

While we are disappointed with the union's actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

Yours,
Roger Goodell

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Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread
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