Greg C.
14 years ago

To be fair, it should be noted that Mendenhall was not the only RB who carried the ball for the Steelers. The Steeler RBs carried the ball 19 times for 95 yards, which is a 5.0 average.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



True. Redman and Moore carried the ball 5 times for 32 yards, and Roethlisberger rushed 4 times for 31 yards. I don't put much stock in the latter, however. Quarterback rushing figures tend to be inflated, since most of their rushes come in protection breakdowns, when the defenses aren't in position to defend the run.

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I said RBs. I wasn't counting Roethlisberger. Those were passing plays, which are irrelevant to rushing stats as far as I'm concerned.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Our rush d was ranked 28th in the NFL allowing 4.7 ypc. In 2009 we were first, allowing only 3.6 ypc.

"IronMan" wrote:



Yes, and in 2009 the Packers' special teams was spectacularly bad and opposing offenses were consistently starting with extremely good field position. The low yardage given up was always a mirage caused by the short fields the defense had to work with.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

Our rush d was ranked 28th in the NFL allowing 4.7 ypc. In 2009 we were first, allowing only 3.6 ypc.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Yes, and in 2009 the Packers' special teams was spectacularly bad and opposing offenses were consistently starting with extremely good field position. The low yardage given up was always a mirage caused by the short fields the defense had to work with.

"IronMan" wrote:



That affects total yardage given up, but I don't see how it would have much impact on yards per carry.

The dirty little truth behind all of this is something that coaches will never admit for some reason: pass defense is more important than rush defense. It just is.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
You said it better than I ever could have. I have never understood why people are so obsessed with shutting down Adrian Peterson. Let him have his yards. As long as the quarterback is held in check, Peterson can gallop for all the yards he wants, and more often than not the offense will be relatively impotent.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

You said it better than I ever could have. I have never understood why people are so obsessed with shutting down Adrian Peterson. Let him have his yards. As long as the quarterback is held in check, Peterson can gallop for all the yards he wants, and more often than not the offense will be relatively impotent.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I think with running backs like Adrian Peterson (bruisers) it's not so much the yards per carry that kills you, it's the OL punishing your DL, the RB slamming into your LB's over and over again.

That's me saying, 10 runs of 3 yards by Adrian are going to hurt you more than 5 runs of 6 yards.
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earthquake
14 years ago
I was curious, so I took a look at some stats, I think I messed something up because I only came up with 61 total games(and there should be 64) but this should be enough to get a basic idea. Since AP was drafted, this is what his W/L ratio is compared to yards gained

0-49 yards: 0.3
50-99 yards: 0.53
100-149 yards: 0.73
100 or more yards: 0.85

Vikings win loss ration over that same period: 0.56

So, when AP is shut down, there is a good chance the vikings lose. When he has an average game, his w/l ratio is slightly below the vikings win/loss ratio, when he hits 100 or more, they win about 3/4ths of the time, and when he hits 150 or more, they are virtually unstoppable(6-1 by my count).

I actually expected the win/loss ratio to be a little more random than it is.

Also, many of those 49 or less games were because he didn't have many/any carries, a few I remember because Childres was an idiot. So whose the best at stopping AP? Chilly of course! 😃
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I think Adrian Peterson was injured a few games, that may have screwed your stats.


Edit, just quick went through.
>100 yards by Adrian, 17W - 7L
<100 yards by Adrian, 17W - 20L
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earthquake
14 years ago
Yes I think a couple of those 0-49 games he was injured during.
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get_louder_at_lambeau
14 years ago

I was curious, so I took a look at some stats, I think I messed something up because I only came up with 61 total games(and there should be 64) but this should be enough to get a basic idea. Since AP was drafted, this is what his W/L ratio is compared to yards gained

0-49 yards: 0.3
50-99 yards: 0.53
100-149 yards: 0.73
100 or more yards: 0.85

Vikings win loss ration over that same period: 0.56

So, when AP is shut down, there is a good chance the vikings lose. When he has an average game, his w/l ratio is slightly below the vikings win/loss ratio, when he hits 100 or more, they win about 3/4ths of the time, and when he hits 150 or more, they are virtually unstoppable(6-1 by my count).

I actually expected the win/loss ratio to be a little more random than it is.

Also, many of those 49 or less games were because he didn't have many/any carries, a few I remember because Childres was an idiot. So whose the best at stopping AP? Chilly of course! =D

"earthquake" wrote:



That's a little of a cause/effect thing. If the Vikes get a big lead early by passing, they will run a lot in the second half, and he'll get lots of yards even if the passing game was mostly responsible for the win. Running out the clock makes those kind of stats look exaggerated for all teams.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

I was curious, so I took a look at some stats, I think I messed something up because I only came up with 61 total games(and there should be 64) but this should be enough to get a basic idea. Since AP was drafted, this is what his W/L ratio is compared to yards gained

0-49 yards: 0.3
50-99 yards: 0.53
100-149 yards: 0.73
100 or more yards: 0.85

Vikings win loss ration over that same period: 0.56

So, when AP is shut down, there is a good chance the vikings lose. When he has an average game, his w/l ratio is slightly below the vikings win/loss ratio, when he hits 100 or more, they win about 3/4ths of the time, and when he hits 150 or more, they are virtually unstoppable(6-1 by my count).

I actually expected the win/loss ratio to be a little more random than it is.

Also, many of those 49 or less games were because he didn't have many/any carries, a few I remember because Childres was an idiot. So whose the best at stopping AP? Chilly of course! =D

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



That's a little of a cause/effect thing. If the Vikes get a big lead early by passing, they will run a lot in the second half, and he'll get lots of yards even if the passing game was mostly responsible for the win. Running out the clock makes those kind of stats look exaggerated for all teams.

"earthquake" wrote:



Also, we would need to see the correlation between wins and passing yards so we could make a comparison.
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