Greg C.
14 years ago

To be fair, it should be noted that Mendenhall was not the only RB who carried the ball for the Steelers. The Steeler RBs carried the ball 19 times for 95 yards, which is a 5.0 average.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



True. Redman and Moore carried the ball 5 times for 32 yards, and Roethlisberger rushed 4 times for 31 yards. I don't put much stock in the latter, however. Quarterback rushing figures tend to be inflated, since most of their rushes come in protection breakdowns, when the defenses aren't in position to defend the run.

"Greg C." wrote:



I said RBs. I wasn't counting Roethlisberger. Those were passing plays, which are irrelevant to rushing stats as far as I'm concerned.
blank
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Our rush d was ranked 28th in the NFL allowing 4.7 ypc. In 2009 we were first, allowing only 3.6 ypc.

"IronMan" wrote:



Yes, and in 2009 the Packers' special teams was spectacularly bad and opposing offenses were consistently starting with extremely good field position. The low yardage given up was always a mirage caused by the short fields the defense had to work with.
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
14 years ago

Our rush d was ranked 28th in the NFL allowing 4.7 ypc. In 2009 we were first, allowing only 3.6 ypc.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Yes, and in 2009 the Packers' special teams was spectacularly bad and opposing offenses were consistently starting with extremely good field position. The low yardage given up was always a mirage caused by the short fields the defense had to work with.

"IronMan" wrote:



That affects total yardage given up, but I don't see how it would have much impact on yards per carry.

The dirty little truth behind all of this is something that coaches will never admit for some reason: pass defense is more important than rush defense. It just is.
blank
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
You said it better than I ever could have. I have never understood why people are so obsessed with shutting down Adrian Peterson. Let him have his yards. As long as the quarterback is held in check, Peterson can gallop for all the yards he wants, and more often than not the offense will be relatively impotent.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

You said it better than I ever could have. I have never understood why people are so obsessed with shutting down Adrian Peterson. Let him have his yards. As long as the quarterback is held in check, Peterson can gallop for all the yards he wants, and more often than not the offense will be relatively impotent.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I think with running backs like Adrian Peterson (bruisers) it's not so much the yards per carry that kills you, it's the OL punishing your DL, the RB slamming into your LB's over and over again.

That's me saying, 10 runs of 3 yards by Adrian are going to hurt you more than 5 runs of 6 yards.
UserPostedImage
earthquake
14 years ago
I was curious, so I took a look at some stats, I think I messed something up because I only came up with 61 total games(and there should be 64) but this should be enough to get a basic idea. Since AP was drafted, this is what his W/L ratio is compared to yards gained

0-49 yards: 0.3
50-99 yards: 0.53
100-149 yards: 0.73
100 or more yards: 0.85

Vikings win loss ration over that same period: 0.56

So, when AP is shut down, there is a good chance the vikings lose. When he has an average game, his w/l ratio is slightly below the vikings win/loss ratio, when he hits 100 or more, they win about 3/4ths of the time, and when he hits 150 or more, they are virtually unstoppable(6-1 by my count).

I actually expected the win/loss ratio to be a little more random than it is.

Also, many of those 49 or less games were because he didn't have many/any carries, a few I remember because Childres was an idiot. So whose the best at stopping AP? Chilly of course! 😃
blank
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I think Adrian Peterson was injured a few games, that may have screwed your stats.


Edit, just quick went through.
>100 yards by Adrian, 17W - 7L
<100 yards by Adrian, 17W - 20L
UserPostedImage
earthquake
14 years ago
Yes I think a couple of those 0-49 games he was injured during.
blank
get_louder_at_lambeau
14 years ago

I was curious, so I took a look at some stats, I think I messed something up because I only came up with 61 total games(and there should be 64) but this should be enough to get a basic idea. Since AP was drafted, this is what his W/L ratio is compared to yards gained

0-49 yards: 0.3
50-99 yards: 0.53
100-149 yards: 0.73
100 or more yards: 0.85

Vikings win loss ration over that same period: 0.56

So, when AP is shut down, there is a good chance the vikings lose. When he has an average game, his w/l ratio is slightly below the vikings win/loss ratio, when he hits 100 or more, they win about 3/4ths of the time, and when he hits 150 or more, they are virtually unstoppable(6-1 by my count).

I actually expected the win/loss ratio to be a little more random than it is.

Also, many of those 49 or less games were because he didn't have many/any carries, a few I remember because Childres was an idiot. So whose the best at stopping AP? Chilly of course! =D

"earthquake" wrote:



That's a little of a cause/effect thing. If the Vikes get a big lead early by passing, they will run a lot in the second half, and he'll get lots of yards even if the passing game was mostly responsible for the win. Running out the clock makes those kind of stats look exaggerated for all teams.
http://packersnews.net 
Greg C.
14 years ago

I was curious, so I took a look at some stats, I think I messed something up because I only came up with 61 total games(and there should be 64) but this should be enough to get a basic idea. Since AP was drafted, this is what his W/L ratio is compared to yards gained

0-49 yards: 0.3
50-99 yards: 0.53
100-149 yards: 0.73
100 or more yards: 0.85

Vikings win loss ration over that same period: 0.56

So, when AP is shut down, there is a good chance the vikings lose. When he has an average game, his w/l ratio is slightly below the vikings win/loss ratio, when he hits 100 or more, they win about 3/4ths of the time, and when he hits 150 or more, they are virtually unstoppable(6-1 by my count).

I actually expected the win/loss ratio to be a little more random than it is.

Also, many of those 49 or less games were because he didn't have many/any carries, a few I remember because Childres was an idiot. So whose the best at stopping AP? Chilly of course! =D

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



That's a little of a cause/effect thing. If the Vikes get a big lead early by passing, they will run a lot in the second half, and he'll get lots of yards even if the passing game was mostly responsible for the win. Running out the clock makes those kind of stats look exaggerated for all teams.

"earthquake" wrote:



Also, we would need to see the correlation between wins and passing yards so we could make a comparison.
blank
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    beast (16h) : 6 days
    wpr (17-Apr) : 7 days
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
    dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move
    dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish
    Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
    Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
    Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
    Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
    Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
    Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.
    dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.
    Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not
    Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.
    Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Guessing they probably knew. Did he have cast or something on?
    Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : Did they know that at the time or was that something the realized afterwards?
    Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb
    wpr (9-Apr) : yay
    Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy says Steelers likely to protect Packers game. Meaning, no Ireland
    Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Struggling to figure out what text editor options are needed and which are 'nice to have'
    Mucky Tundra (8-Apr) : *CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP*
    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you
    Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?
    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.
    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    29 - 34
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    16 - 10
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    30 - 14
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    29 - 31
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    24 - 19
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    34 - 13
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    24 - 22
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    30 - 27
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    14 - 24
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    20 - 19
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    38 - 10
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    30 - 17
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    31 - 34
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    30 - 13
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    34 - 0
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
    Vikings
    25 - 27
    Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    22 - 24
    Recent Topics
    17-Apr / Random Babble / wpr

    16-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    15-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

    11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

    2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    30-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    29-Mar / Random Babble / wpr

    28-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

    26-Mar / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.