Formo
14 years ago



Wasn't Chilly's specialty producing QBs? I thought that's what he was considered.

Also, the Vikings aren't replacing half of their roster.

"Pack93z" wrote:



Roster has 53 slots as we know it today.

The Vikings will turn over at the minimum of 20 of those spots from this years roster.

20/53 = 38%

An that is being conservative.. would you like some help detailing out how conservative that number is? ;)

"Formo" wrote:



I don't know how you got those numbers.. Nor how you figure who will turn over.

But still, 38% =/= 50%

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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

Formo, my point is that you consider it reloading if you are about to replace half your roster. That's called rebuilding, and for God sakes draft a fuckin' quarterback of the future and hire a coach who's specialty is producing quarterbacks.

"Formo" wrote:



Wasn't Chilly's specialty producing QBs? I thought that's what he was considered.

Also, the Vikings aren't replacing half of their roster.

"DakotaT" wrote:



Considered and is are not synonymous.

Specially when they are considered by Vikings fans.
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Formo
14 years ago

Formo, my point is that you consider it reloading if you are about to replace half your roster. That's called rebuilding, and for God sakes draft a fuckin' quarterback of the future and hire a coach who's specialty is producing quarterbacks.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:



Wasn't Chilly's specialty producing QBs? I thought that's what he was considered.

Also, the Vikings aren't replacing half of their roster.

"Formo" wrote:



Considered and is are not synonymous.

Specially when they are considered by Vikings fans.

"DakotaT" wrote:



According to not only the rubes but to the 'experts', prior to taking the MN job Chilly was considered the QB guru behind McNabb. Was he? I don't know because I never followed the Iggles.. But all that's moot because we'll never know if Chilly was that QB groomer until he tries elsewhere.. I mean, you can polish a turd, but when it comes down to it, it's still a turd. And the only 'turd' that Chilly was working on was T-Jack. Bill Walsh couldn't do much with Jackson.

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mi_keys
14 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Childress 

Scroll down to his head coaching results:

"Fired (thank God for that)"

That made me laugh.
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DakotaT
14 years ago

According to not only the rubes but to the 'experts', prior to taking the MN job Chilly was considered the QB guru behind McNabb. Was he? I don't know because I never followed the Iggles.. But all that's moot because we'll never know if Chilly was that QB groomer until he tries elsewhere.. I mean, you can polish a turd, but when it comes down to it, it's still a turd. And the only 'turd' that Chilly was working on was T-Jack. Bill Walsh couldn't do much with Jackson.

"Formo" wrote:



You poor dumb bastard, Chilly had as much credibility as our old offensive coordinator Sherm Lewis; only nobody was stupid enough to give Sherm a head coaching job. McNabb's success was all Andy Reid's doing and Numbnuts got the credit.

Thanks Chilly for setting the Vikings back another 3 or 4 years and wasting Peterson's career in the process.
djcubez
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14 years ago
I believe the OC for the Eagles now is a decent QB's coach and has been with Andy Reid for some time. Morhinweg's his name. He's been with the Eagles since 2003 and I read an article  about how he helped reshape Vick's throwing motion and overall QB skills over the last two years. Maybe he was the real one behind McNabb's success?
Pack93z
14 years ago
Childress cut his teeth at Wisconsin and didn't exactly develop a NFL QB in his time there.. moved onto the Eagles and for all the accolades the McNabb got, he never became as effective a QB as he was given credit to be.

Look at TJ young days in MN.. Childress and Bevell did nothing in terms of playcalling to help develop TJ.. actually IMO they destroyed any chance he had of success via their combined playcalling. Awful.
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Formo
14 years ago

Look at TJ young days in MN.. Childress and Bevell did nothing in terms of playcalling to help develop TJ.. actually IMO they destroyed any chance he had of success via their combined playcalling. Awful.

"Pack93z" wrote:



Can't argue with you there. I think Chilly's first year or two he called the plays and afterward it was Bevell.. Either way, they kinda threw T-Jack under the bus those years..

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Formo
14 years ago

According to not only the rubes but to the 'experts', prior to taking the MN job Chilly was considered the QB guru behind McNabb. Was he? I don't know because I never followed the Iggles.. But all that's moot because we'll never know if Chilly was that QB groomer until he tries elsewhere.. I mean, you can polish a turd, but when it comes down to it, it's still a turd. And the only 'turd' that Chilly was working on was T-Jack. Bill Walsh couldn't do much with Jackson.

"DakotaT" wrote:



You poor dumb bastard, Chilly had as much credibility as our old offensive coordinator Sherm Lewis; only nobody was stupid enough to give Sherm a head coaching job. McNabb's success was all Andy Reid's doing and Numbnuts got the credit.

"Formo" wrote:



??? From everything I've gathered, Chilly was set to be hired by ya'll if Wilf let him leave Minneapolis. McCarthy was GB's 2nd choice behind Chilly I thought. Maybe you wanna recant that statement?

Thanks Chilly for setting the Vikings back another 3 or 4 years and wasting Peterson's career in the process.

"DakotaT" wrote:



How about, "We'll see", ok Nostradamus?

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djcubez
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14 years ago
I don't know about that. You guys hired Childress before we could even interview him ;)

Youve mentioned the Packers were considering hiring Childress in 2006. What happened back then and were you surprised by his firing?

Once Childress made the unilateral decision to release Randy Moss without consulting his owner or front office, he was a dead man walking, with ownership just looking for the right time to push him off the plank. The right time came on the heels of an embarrassing home loss to the archrival Packers, a team that has figured prominently in Childress's career changes.


Childress was a skilled offensive coach and also a creation of agent Bob LaMonte in 2006. LaMonte, the "Arliss" of coaches' agents, annually unveils his "hot" coaching candidate for interested teams to covet.


In 2006, LaMonte's "hot guy" was Childress (most of LaMontes clients come through the Mike Holmgren coaching tree; Childress was on the staff of Andy Reid, another LaMonte client).



Our list at the Packers at the time included, among others: Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Wade Phillips -- none clients of LaMonte -- and Childress, whose first interview was in Minnesota before flying to Green Bay.


LaMonte created the strong perception that if the Vikings allowed Childress get on that plane to Green Bay, the rival Packers would hire him and the Vikings would regret it.


The Vikings, who seemed to have a special interest in Packer players they signed Ryan Longwell, Darren Sharper, Robert Ferguson and Brett Favre; they tried to sign Aaron Kampman, William Henderson, Craig Nall and others -- now could get their coach and block the Packers from getting him as well.



When LaMonte said that Childress was delaying his arrival into Green Bay, we knew what was going on. Within a couple hours, a new five-year deal worth $10 million between the Vikings and Childress was announced.


And last season at this time, the Vikings extended Childress through 2013 based on their impressive 8-1 start that was highlighted by a sweep the Packers.


Now comes the termination of Childress -- his contract, not him -- in the wake of the beat down from, yes, the Packers. Their fingerprints seem to be all over Childress and his flashpoint moments, both good and bad.



Source 

According to an NFL source, Childress, a former University of Wisconsin assistant coach, left Philadelphia thinking Green Bay might be the best place for him, but the Vikings' urgency to complete a deal was too much to pass up. Unsure whether the Packers would hire him, Childress went for the sure thing with the Vikings.



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