Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
By the way, the author of that article makes a truly terrifying statement in the comments section following:

I think Russell could be a good player, but he is too risky to take in the top 10. If he fell to the Panthers or the Packers that would be a more appropriate place for him.

"David Lewin" wrote:



Thank goodness he didn't!
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
13 years ago

By the way, the author of that article makes a truly terrifying statement in the comments section following:

I think Russell could be a good player, but he is too risky to take in the top 10. If he fell to the Panthers or the Packers that would be a more appropriate place for him.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Thank goodness he didn't!

"David Lewin" wrote:



No kidding! We would've missed out on Justin Harrell.

Thanks for the hot Russian chicks. I couldn't find them on that web page.
blank
peteralan71
13 years ago
I bet people were kicking themselves for not drafting Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Dan Marino (1st round, but 27th pick, three later than Rodgers), etc. etc. etc.

There is a lot about the team and coaching that makes the player who they are too. A player can't go to every team and put up the exact same numbers.

Like Greg said, hindsight is 20/20.
Green Bay: Home of the Green & Gold. And the hunter orange. And the camouflage.
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

No kidding! We would've missed out on Justin Harrell.

"Greg C." wrote:



Thanks for the laugh, but I'm actually serious. Imagine what would have happened if the Packers had move into that season with Favre, Rodgers, and Russell on the roster. Imagine all the speculation about potential trades, etc. that we would have had to endure. Surely one or both of them would have been dangled as trade bait at some point, or we might not have had the inclination to draft Matt Flynn. Imagine all the furor from the Favre fellators. Then again, we might not have drafted Brian Brohm either, which probably wouldn't have been a bad thing.

Justin Harrell was certainly a bust, but there was no way he was going to have represented a threat to Rodgers in the way Russell could have (in this alternative universe, of course).

The babes are still there, by the way.
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
13 years ago
Yeah, drafting Russell would've created a weird situation, alright. I really don't think Ted would've done it, though. Even when Russell looked like he might be really good, he never looked like a West Coast Offense type of QB. Also, there would've been two first round draft picks as backup QBs--not a great thing for the salary structure.
blank
Felipe7777777
13 years ago
haha that would've have been terrible if the packers got him
blank
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Also, there would've been two first round draft picks as backup QBs--not a great thing for the salary structure.

"Greg C." wrote:



True, although with the Packers picking 16th, the price would not have been astronomical. After being picked 24th in 2005, Aaron Rodger inked a rookie contract was worth only $7.7 million (up to $24.5 million with no doubt impossible-to-reach incentives), of which $5.4 million was guaranteed. His salary cap hit was minimal. Taken 16th a couple of years later, Justin Harrell signed a six-year contract worth around $15 million with approximately $8 million guaranteed. Russell no doubt would have commanded a quarterback premium, so it's probably not unreasonable to assume he would have received upwards of $10 million guaranteed. Again, not outlandish, but certainly not the most desirable of situations.
UserPostedImage
Dulak
13 years ago
To tell you the truth I think all these articles about 'so n so kicking themself for not drafting rodgers' are Dumb ...

Who knows if rodgers would of turned into the same person he is today if he didnt have Mike McCarthy and his QB coach and favre to model himself from ... or perhaps learn from his mistakes (INTs).

Stick him on another team that goes through coaches like a knife on hot butter ...

I do agree that rodgers has a great work eithic; but who knows a guy like that in a 'shitty' organization may have ended up frustrated and just down and out.

Put a guy like rodgers in a organization like the packers with great coaches and a great team/city/fan base and you have a great recipe.

so I might be going round robin here but ya perhaps those teams are kicking themselves for not drafting rodgers - but more then likely he would of not turned out the same under their tutelage.
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Here's another article with a similar theme. The author makes the interesting point that it was not Mike McCarthy but Mike Nolan who made the decision to go with Smith over Rodgers, citing attitudinal incompatibility as his reason for passing on Rodgers.

Peterson: 49ers fans can play fantasy football over Aaron Rodgers vs. Alex Smith and Mike McCarthy vs. Mike Nolan 

By Gary Peterson
Bay Area News Group
Posted: 01/25/2011 10:05:09 PM PST
Updated: 01/26/2011 07:25:22 AM PST

[img_r]http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2011/0123/20110123__ssjm0124nfc~3_VIEWER.JPG[/img_r]Count Mel Kiper Jr. among those who like to construct parallel universes in their spare time.

In a recent post on ESPN.com, Kiper revisited the 2005 NFL draft. That, of course, was the draft in which the 49ers, holding the first pick and needing a quarterback, selected Alex Smith instead of Aaron Rodgers.

As this is written, Smith has failed the 49ers nearly as badly as they have failed him. Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers are Super Bowl-bound. It's perfect fodder for the what-if parlor trick.

What if the 49ers had drafted Rodgers instead of Smith? "It could have been a perfect marriage," Kiper wrote.

Later, in reassessing the 2005 draft with 2011 hindsight, Kiper assigns Rodgers to San Francisco and writes: "He was right nearby in Berkeley, and he likely changes everything for the 49ers."

We're using Kiper's hypothesis as a jumping-off point here, but he's hardly the first to explore this alternative reality. And he won't be the last, not with the upcoming Super Bowl beginning to blot out the sun.

But here's the problem with the what-if game -- it lacks context. It suggests events that would never have happened. For example: What if Mel Kiper had celebrated his 30th birthday by getting a crew cut? It could have been a perfect marriage.

In the case of the first pick in the 2005 draft, Rodgers ceased to be an option for the 49ers the minute they hired Mike Nolan as coach. Nolan was no-nonsense, a strong personality who didn't like to be challenged. He met with Rodgers and Smith before the draft. He caught a whiff of attitude
from Rodgers, and that was that.

Smith was chosen based on personality. He is cerebral, introspective, with a distaste for confrontation. Nolan presumed, correctly, that Smith would be low-maintenance in meeting rooms and during sideline consultations.

On the field? He was a curious fit, coming from a college program (Utah) that utilized the spread offense almost exclusively. He also was known as a guy who performed better from inside a comfort zone. The 49ers, coming off a 2-14 season, were in no position to promise a comfortable working environment.

Rodgers played in a prostyle offense at Cal. He didn't mind getting his nose bloody. He had no problems speaking his mind. Being drafted by the Packers and forced to practice the fine art of patience behind Brett Favre were the best things that could have happened to him. Just as being thrown into a disorganized state of perpetual chaos was the worst thing that could have happened to Smith.

Switch them out, and what happens? Smith does better in Green Bay than he did in San Francisco, but not as well as Rodgers has done. Rodgers does better with the 49ers than Smith did, but nowhere near as well as he has done with the Packers. Neither, we can safely guess, goes anywhere near a Super Bowl without a paid admission.

If you want to play the what-if game with the 49ers and the 2005 draft, here's where you start: What if the Yorks had hired Mike McCarthy as coach instead of Nolan?

Nolan came recommended as an accomplished defensive coordinator, having worked in that capacity for 11 seasons with four NFL teams. He had a particular appeal to the 49ers, given that his father had coached the team for eight seasons. So they hired Nolan, who in turn hired McCarthy to run the offense.

But McCarthy also was an accomplished and experienced coordinator. In his
five years at New Orleans, the Saints finished in the top half of the league in yards gained every season, finished in the top 10 twice and ranked third in 2002. And this was with Jeff Blake and Aaron Brooks at quarterback.

Was McCarthy ready to be a head coach? The Packers thought so -- after McCarthy spent one season on Nolan's staff, the Pack came calling. In five short years McCarthy has become the fifth-winningest coach in team history (with the fourth-best winning percentage). If he beats Pittsburgh a week from Sunday, they'll name a street for him in Green Bay.

Had McCarthy been hired by the 49ers in 2005 and been given a strong voice in the draft, it's easy to imagine him picking Rodgers, ready-made for the pro game and itching to get going. This is the alternate reality in which things would have turned out differently for the 49ers.

To say nothing of the Packers -- and Mel Kiper's hairline.


UserPostedImage
Greg C.
13 years ago
The thing about Mike Nolan not liking Rodgers because of his attitude was also alluded to in that article by Ann Killion that I posted a few weeks ago. I thought it was very funny, the way she summarized it:

"The younger Smith was deemed more "coachable" and pliant by the 49ers--he was willing to do a series of oddball tasks like hop on one foot without questioning why Nolan was asking him to do so (note: pliant is not a good quality in quarterbacks). Rodgers, in contrast, was viewed as cocky (note: cocky is a good quality in quarterbacks)."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ann_killion/01/18/aaron-rodgers/index.html#ixzz1DeY4x9Sy 
blank
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (14-Nov) : He probably plays DB.
Zero2Cool (14-Nov) : I don't even know who that Don is
packerfanoutwest (14-Nov) : What position does Lemon play ?
dfosterf (14-Nov) : I read this am that Don Lemon quit x, so there's that
Zero2Cool (13-Nov) : Seems some are flocking to BlueSky and leaving Tweeter. I wonder if BlueSky allows embeded lists
beast (12-Nov) : He's a review guy
Zero2Cool (12-Nov) : Jordy Nelson is still in the NFL.
Zero2Cool (11-Nov) : Ok, will do.
wpr (11-Nov) : Kevin, donate it to a local food pantry or whatever she wants to do with it. Thanks
wpr (11-Nov) : Kevin,
Zero2Cool (11-Nov) : Wayne, got your girl scout order.
dfosterf (11-Nov) : I believe Zero was being sarcastic
dfosterf (11-Nov) : Due to that rookie kicker Jake Bates that Zero said "he didn't want anyway". 58 yarder to tie the game, 52 yarder to win it. In fairness,
Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Lions escape with a win
Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : and now Goff looking better
Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Goff with ANOTHER INT
Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : and now Stroud throwing INTs
Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Goff having an ATROCIOUS game
wpr (11-Nov) : Happy birthday Corps. Ever faithful. Thanks dfosterf.
Mucky Tundra (10-Nov) : stiff armed by Baker Mayfield for about 5-7 yards and still managed to get a pass off
Mucky Tundra (10-Nov) : Nick Bosa
wpr (8-Nov) : Jets are Packers (L)East
Zero2Cool (8-Nov) : Jets released K Riley Patterson and signed K Anders Carlson to the practice squad.
wpr (8-Nov) : Thanks guys
Mucky Tundra (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday wpr!
Zero2Cool (7-Nov) : Anders Carlson ... released by 49ers
dfosterf (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday!😊😊😊
wpr (7-Nov) : Thanks Kevin.
Zero2Cool (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday, Wayne! 🎉🎂🥳
beast (7-Nov) : Edge Rushers is the same... it's not the 4-3 vs 3-4 change, it's the Hafley's version of the 4-3... as all 32 teams are actually 4-2
Zero2Cool (6-Nov) : OLB to DE and player requests trade. Yet folks say they are same.
beast (5-Nov) : In other news, the Green Bay Packers have signed Zero2Cool to update their website 😋 jk
beast (5-Nov) : Might just re-sign the kicker we got
beast (5-Nov) : Are there any kickers worth drafting next year?
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Preston Smith for Malik Willis
Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Getting a 7th rounder from the Stillers
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : At least we get 7th round pick now!! HELLO NEW KICKER
Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Steelers getting a premier lockdown corner!
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Packers are trading edge rusher Preston Smith to the Pittsburgh Steelers, per sources.
Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Preston Smith traded to the Steelers!!!!
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : CB Marshon Lattimore to Commanders
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Bears are sending RB Khalil Herbert to the Bengals, per sources.
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : ZaDarius Smith continues his "north" tour.
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Let the Chiefs trade a 5th for him
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Nearing 30, large contract, nope.
Martha Careful (5-Nov) : any interest in Marshon Lattimore?
Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : What does NFL do if they're over cap?
Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : They've been able to constantly push it out through extensions, void years etc but they're in the hole by 72 million next year I believe
hardrocker950 (4-Nov) : Seems the Saints are always in cap hell
Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : Saints HC job is not an envious one; gonna be in cap hell for 3 years
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
3m / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

17m / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

20m / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

21m / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

13-Nov / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

12-Nov / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

11-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

11-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

9-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / joepacker

8-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.