sanguine
14 years ago

Starks has had two good games in three opportunities. As a rookie. Jackson has had two or three good games in 17 opportunities, or maybe something like 12 or 13 if you consider that the Packers were very pass-oriented at times this season. And this is Jackson's fourth season. Not a lot of upside there.

Starks is already a better runner than Jackson, and because he is so young, he has way more potential and is therefore way more valuable than Jackson. I don't think there will be much of a bidding war for Jackson during free agency. However, it sounds like he may not be comfortable with having been passed up twice now by players who started their careers at a much lower point than he did, so maybe it will be best for him to go elsewhere. I'd love to keep him around as our third down back, with Grant and Starks as the top two RBs.

"dfosterf" wrote:



+1

Jackson.

He jitterbugs too much, imo. His production (or lack of it, dependent upon how you want to look at it) is in the context of defenses that are scheming against the pass, not the run. Not only does he not legitimize our running game to an acceptable degree (On OUR team, with OUR line--another discussion) whatever production he HAS had is somewhat suspect in that defensive coordinators are not exactly game-planning to stop him. We are way too "one dimensional" with him in there when viewed from the opponent's perspective. They (defenses) SHOULD be "paying" for not scheming against our run game. Sadly, with him in there, they do not have to pay far too often.

I understand he has value, the question is -for me- is it worth the cost in non productive runs way too often in critical situations, coupled with unfavorable downs and distances as a result of "giving him the rock" to try and keep defenses "honest".

He has had 4 years to scare a defense. Starks has had 3 games. Who do you think scares a defense more right now?

I don't know what will happen with Starks, Grant and Jackson, but I do know my answer right now with the information in front of me.

Grant would scare them, imo. Starks does scare them, imo . Jackson does not, imo.

The Starks factor could change this Saturday, but at least it's there right now, and that in and of itself is an improvement over where we were a week ago.

Eagles had to pay. Atlanta is paying too, even before the game begins.

I feel bad for Jackson, because I'm sure he heard those comments of praise from his teammates regarding Starks, which were probably viewed by Brandon as a vote of no confidence in him...

This is the NFL, and he did not step up...sorry, but that's the way it goes.

"Greg C." wrote:



+1!

I think B-Jax is a solid pass blocker, but aside of that he doesn't put up the numbers needed. He has had a lot of time to prepare for backing up Grant. But when the time is there, he doesn't show up, which causes Rodgers to try and make more plays in the passing game resulting in some interceptions that he should have never thrown.

Kuhn is a solid 3rd down back too, he can pound it in there and he can pass block. Starks is doing really good and i'm excited about him backing up Grant. Starks hasn't shown that he can already get the starting role, and Grant hasn't had the time to compete with him but they should do really good splitting carries.

With Grant being more of a power runner, and Starks a tackle-breaker i would say let B-Jax go, i'm sorry for him but this is the NFL, and if you get a chance you have to put up some numbers not an average of 2yards! And look at Starks using every possible opportunity he has. Every time he gets tripped up or tackled i see him jumping up slapping him on the helmet saying "ah man, i could get so much more yards out of that carry", give the rookie some time and he will develop in a decent back.

So keep Grant, Starks, Kuhn on RB, release B-jax and let the beast(johnson) play FB.
Packer fan from Europe!
millertime
14 years ago
He's a scat back, which is great. I'd be open to keeping him, but I'd rather have guy who could return kicks and contribute on passing downs (like a Darren Sproles or Leon Washington-type).
zombieslayer
14 years ago

It does kind of make you feel bad for Jackson. Unfortunately, this is a business. If he is not able to give us what we want, he will probably be moving on. I do think that he is certainly capable as a third down back, but we'll just have to see what happens next year. Probably, we will have the proverbial "two-headed monster" on our team, much like many other NFL teams have. I haven't noticed much yet, but how does Starks perform when pass-blocking?

"peteralan71" wrote:



Business or no business, I do feel bad for Jackson. He's a dang good blocker and I can't say enough about blocking. I wish our OL blocked as well (per their position) as Jackson does.

I haven't seen Starks blocking much. It's too little info to judge from.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
brnt247
14 years ago
While I'm sure Starks can be an adequate pass-blocker, I foresee him taking over the majority of the carries as opposed to Grant. Grant is certainly not the type of back you want on third and seven out of the backfield as a check down. He has decent hands, but his agility is not quite the same as Jackson's.

I think this team gets worse if Jackson is let go and no other back is brought in to fill that role. Keeping Jackson, if he agrees to take the role of third down back, is probably the right decision to make.
blank
zombieslayer
14 years ago
If we don't resign Jackson, we'll draft or pick up another RB. We should have 3. Or 4.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (45m) : Fake news. Cowboys say no
Zero2Cool (1h) : Mystery candidate in the Cowboys head coaching search believed to be Packers ST Coordinator Rich Bisaccia.
beast (15h) : Also why do both NYC teams have absolutely horrible OL for over a decade?
beast (15h) : I wonder why the Jets always hire defensive coaches to be head coach
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Still HC positions available out there. I wonder if Hafley pops up for one
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Trent Baalke is out as the Jaguars GM.
dfosterf (22-Jan) : Jeff Hafley would have been a better choice, fortunately they don't know that. Someone will figure that out next off season
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Aaron Glenn Planning To Take Jets HC Job
dfosterf (22-Jan) : Martha- C'est mon boulot! 😁
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Thank you
wpr (22-Jan) : Z, glad you are feeling better.
wpr (22-Jan) : My son and D-I-L work for UM. It's a way to pick on them.
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : Thank you. I rarely get sick, and even more rarely sick to the point I can't work.
wpr (22-Jan) : Beast- back to yesterday, I CAN say OSU your have been Michigan IF the odds of making the playoffs were more urgent.
dfosterf (22-Jan) : Glad to hear you are feeling a bit better.
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : I've been near death ill last several days, finally feel less dead and site issues.
Zero2Cool (22-Jan) : It is a big deal. This host is having issues. It's frustrating.
Martha Careful (22-Jan) : just kidding...it was down
Martha Careful (22-Jan) : you were blocked yesterday, due to a a recalcitrant demeanor yesterday in the penalty box for a recalcitrant demeanor
dfosterf (22-Jan) : Was that site shutdown on your end or mine? No big deal, just curious
beast (21-Jan) : That way teams like Indiana and SMU don't make the conference championships by simply avoiding all the other good teams in their own confere
beast (21-Jan) : Also, with these "Super Conferences" instead of a single conference champion, have 4 teams make a Conference playoffs.
beast (21-Jan) : Also in college football, is a bye week a good or bad thing?
Martha Careful (21-Jan) : The tournament format was fine. Seeding could use some work.
beast (21-Jan) : You can't assume Ohio State would of won the Michigan game...
beast (21-Jan) : Rankings were 1) Oregon 2) Georgia 3) Texas 4) Penn State 5) Notre Dame 6) Ohio State, none of the rest mattered
wpr (21-Jan) : Texas, ND and OSU would have been fighting for the final 2 slots.
wpr (21-Jan) : Oregon and Georgia were locks. Without the luxury of extra playoff berths, Ohios St would have been more focused on Michigan game.
wpr (21-Jan) : Zero, no. If there were only 4 teams Ohio State would have been one of them. Boise St and ASU would not have been selected.
Zero2Cool (21-Jan) : So that was 7 vs 8, that means in BCS they never would made it?
Martha Careful (21-Jan) : A great game. Give ND credit for coming back, although I am please with the outcome.
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : FG to make it academic
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : and there's the dagger
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : ooooo 8 point game with 4 minutes to go!
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : ooooooooohhhhhh he missed!
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : Ooooo that completion makes things VERY interesting
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : Game not over yet
beast (21-Jan) : Oh yeah, Georgia starting quarterback season ending elbow injury
beast (21-Jan) : Sadly something happened to Georgia... they should be playing in this game against Ohio State
beast (21-Jan) : I thought Ohio State and Texas were both better than Notre Dame & Penn State
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : Notre Lame getting rolled
Martha Careful (21-Jan) : Ohio State just got punched in the gut. Lets see how they respond
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : Notre Lame vs the Luckeyes, bleh
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : Oh snap!!!
Zero2Cool (21-Jan) : Even Stevie Wonder can see that.
Zero2Cool (21-Jan) : Nah, you see Lions OC leaving to be HC of Bears is directly related to Packers.
Mucky Tundra (21-Jan) : ohhhhhhh Zero is in TROUBLE
packerfanoutwest (21-Jan) : Zero, per your orders, check Bearshome, not packershome
Zero2Cool (20-Jan) : Then he'll land with another team and flourish.
Zero2Cool (20-Jan) : Ben going to Bears. He'll be out in 3 years.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
22-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

22-Jan / Random Babble / packerfanoutwest

21-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

21-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19-Jan / Random Babble / Martha Careful

18-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

17-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

17-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

17-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

16-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

16-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.