tromadz
16 years ago
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GREEN BAY -- Aaron Rodgers has said over and over that he learned so much during his three years behind Brett Favre -- in spite of Favre's less-than-enthusiastic approach to mentoring him.

What the Green Bay Packers first-year starter usually doesn't say is how he learned some of his most valuable lessons from the legendary quarterback. While he learned plenty about what to do from watching Favre, he also learned a few things about what not to do.

For all his remarkable accomplishments, taking the blame publicly when things went wrong was never Favre's strong suit. His explanation was often that he was "just trying to make a play."


While Rodgers wouldn't touch the question Wednesday of whether Favre's public approach to admitting fault after games influenced his own style -- "I'm not going to comment on that," he said with a grin -- Rodgers said he has always believed it is the quarterback's job to accept the most blame whenever his team loses.

That was his approach at Pleasant Valley High School in Chico, Calif., at Butte (Junior) College and at the University of California, and it's especially important to him to be that way now. That's why he claimed responsibility for Sunday's overtime loss at undefeated Tennessee.

"When you're winning, the quarterback a lot of times gets too much credit. So I find it important to deflect credit to people who are often overlooked," said Rodgers, who enters Sunday's game at Minnesota having completed 63.7 percent of his passes for 1,982 yards with 13 touchdowns, five interceptions and 17 sacks (95.3 passer rating).

"But on the flip-side of that, when you lose, you need to be accountable for the way you play. If I didn't play well, I'm going to be completely honest -- `I didn't play well, it's my fault.' Now, anyone else in the locker room can say whatever they want. But I'm going to be honest when I take the stand and say how I played. And if I played real well, I expect to play well. If we lose? My fault."

That willingness to chuck himself under the bus first hasn't gone unnoticed by his teammates.

"That's what all great players do. He's a leader, he's our quarterback. He puts it all on himself. That's part of Aaron's nature," guard Jason Spitz said. "Here's the thing about the way Aaron acts and the way he presents himself: He's got character. He's fighting for us, and we're fighting for him. And that's what you want in your quarterback. You want to know that he's not going to point fingers. Even if it's not his fault, you respect a man more for saying, `The buck stops here.'"

Added offensive coordinator Joe Philbin: "We want all 11 guys to be responsible and accountable to one another. Is it nice that Aaron is? Absolutely. But we want the guys that cause a sack or the guy that dropped a pass -- everybody's got to be held to the same level of accountability for us to really be a great offense. Is it nice for your quarterback, because he's the guy a lot of people look to? Sure. That's a positive. But we're not going to get real far if he's the only guy accepting that standard."

After the Tennessee loss, Rodgers said his end-zone interception and sack-fumble to set up a Titans field goal cost his team the game. He said the same thing after the team's Sept. 28 loss at Tampa Bay, when he threw three picks while playing with a dislocated right (throwing) shoulder.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy admitted Wednesday that he might have been a bit too harsh in his criticism of Rodgers during his day-after news conference, when he said Rodgers' decision-making wasn't good enough and that he checked out of runs and into pass plays too many times in the game.

"The thing about Aaron and the criticism from myself and everyone involved, there's a lot of positive things that Aaron Rodgers did in the Tennessee game. It just seems like we didn't focus on those as much," McCarthy said. "I think he can play better than he's played, and he's played pretty darn good.

"He's probably too honest. I think he gives you a very honest answer. I don't ever see him try to skirt issues. ... (But) he didn't cost us that football game. Aaron Rodgers didn't lose that game."

If you ask Rodgers, though, he did.

"The biggest thing for me, I want to be a good decision-maker. And I knew I had about a half-dozen plays where I made an incorrect decision," Rodgers said. "A lot of times, the stats or the TV (broadcast) doesn't show the whole story. I threw for over 300 yards, but I could've done a lot better. I threw an interception in a key spot, I fumbled the ball in a key spot. Those are things I'm not OK with as a quarterback or as the leader of this football team. I feel like it's my responsibility and my personality to take the blame when it is my fault."
IronMan
16 years ago
Favre was not ok with accepting blame? Really?
RaiderPride
16 years ago
I think Chico has taken "Ownership." of his own accountability.

I love that about the kid. He keeps stating he needs to improve, get better, adapt, and do the right thing when it comes to decisions he makes on the field of play.

I think he is one of the "Most Coachable" Q.B's in the game.

There is nothing worse than a player who figures "I am what I am."

You can always tell how high a person can climb, by what they are willing to learn... "Once They Think They Know It All."

I pray that young Chico continues with his mental fortitude. Not like some former Q.B.'s who got stuck on themeself, and thought the game and the team was all about "THEM"

You know... Q.B.'s like Jeff Geroge, and ....

What's his name....



Yes.. That's it..... The Prisoner Michael Vick.


Edit.. Why is this post NOT in the Packers General Discussion Forum.

This article is writen about "Young Aaron." The starting Q.B. of the Green Bay Packers, this year.

Give Arron some credit... Do not keep a good read about the kid out of the Packer discussion, just because it mentions the former guy who was Q.B.
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago
In regards to the comment about Rodgers being coachable. I've said since day one, he's a coaches wet dream.
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HoustonMatt
16 years ago

Favre was not ok with accepting blame? Really?

"IronMan" wrote:



That was my thought. I've never heard that critique about him, nor have I noticed it myself. Glad to see that Aaron is willing to hold himself accountable, but I think the author is taking some liberties by contrasting him to Brett in that regard.

But it did get me to read an article I normally wouldn't have. So I guess he accomplished his goal.
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IronMan
16 years ago
I think a lot of Brett Favre's fans had a harder time putting the blame on Favre, than he did accepting it.
Rockmolder
16 years ago
I think it just 'sells' to have Favre and Rodgers in the same article atm. Especially with them both playing pretty good. Looking at this article, the only time I saw Favre's name was in the beginning of the text, this could just aswell have been a text just about Rodgers...

Anyway, I love this guy, he has the intelligence to see what he has to do and listen to his coaches. He might have a strong arm aswell, but smarts are the most important thing to me. Just look at Orton and Grossman right now....
Heatherthepackgirl
16 years ago

I think Chico has taken "Ownership." of his own accountability.

I love that about the kid. He keeps stating he needs to improve, get better, adapt, and do the right thing when it comes to decisions he makes on the field of play.

I think he is one of the "Most Coachable" Q.B's in the game.

There is nothing worse than a player who figures "I am what I am."

You can always tell how high a person can climb, by what they are willing to learn... "Once They Think They Know It All."

I pray that young Chico continues with his mental fortitude. Not like some former Q.B.'s who got stuck on themeself, and thought the game and the team was all about "THEM"

You know... Q.B.'s like Jeff Geroge, and ....

What's his name....



Yes.. That's it..... The Prisoner Michael Vick.


Edit.. Why is this post NOT in the Packers General Discussion Forum.

This article is writen about "Young Aaron." The starting Q.B. of the Green Bay Packers, this year.

Give Arron some credit... Do not keep a good read about the kid out of the Packer discussion, just because it mentions the former guy who was Q.B.

"RaiderPride" wrote:




Rodgers is a great QB, and in years to come he will only get better. Its helps though that he has a very talented team around him making plays. But he is playing smart. Yes, he will make mistakes and he will continue to make them, just like Favre does.

Now with your comments about Favre Raider, Favre in interviews has always said with good or bad games that he will not take all the credit, since when does this fall under the category that "hes to much into himself"? He has also said with a win or lose the blame for a lose or the gratitude of a win does NOT fall only on the QB, its a "team" sport. Hes never been one to be in the spot light, I think IMO its the media that puts him there because its his name that sells. I am so sorry that some of you can just toss Brett Favre aside for all hes done for the Packers and us fans. He is still a great player, yes he does make some bone head decisions once in a while, but that is Brett and always will be Brett that to me is what makes him exciting to watch. Rodgers has made some bad decisions as well, but I am NOT going to bad mouth him because all QB's will make some bad choices. Also things happen in a game to where its not only the QB's fault.

Favre doesn't think he knows it ALL, for a 39 year old QB and learning a whole new system with another team and studying his butt off. So if Favre thinks he knows it all, then why is he always on the sidelines studying the plays? Taking the play book home every night? Favre has always been about helping a team win games. He is about FOOTBALL.
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buckeyepackfan
16 years ago
Just another feeble attempt to downplay Brett Favre and what he meant to The Green Bay Packers.

Don't take the bait, it will just start a long and useless argument.
(RP , I am not directing this comment at you)

i agree with RP this is a story about Aaron, why is it posted in the Brett Favre area?

Some of you are never going to get it, most people on this forum who like to keep up on BF have nothing against AR(well there are a couple), but most don't.
Aaron Rodgers had nothing to do with what happened last summer, this constant comparing of the two IMHO is getting real tiring and it does just cause senseless arguments.

I hope Aaron Rodgers leads the Pack to the play-offs and wouldn't it just be the most incredible event if The Pack made it to the Superbwl and played the (dare I say it), New York Jets!!!!!

Now that would blow these boards up for awhile!!!!
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Pack93z
16 years ago
Just another way of selling print.. find me one time in a presser where Brett threw a teammate under the bus?

I am still amazed by the dislike for Favre.. it is almost as nauseating as the Ted, Aaron, Mike McCarthy bashing.. and not an ounce better either. I really don't understand it.. I think these writers need to expand their sites a little in topics.

Aside from the digs on Brett.. damn fine article.. could have stood on its own merit minus the digs.
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