Wade
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14 years ago
This morning I gave an exam to an class with 20 students. This is an upper division class that is primarily populated by econ majors.

Said exam was announced on the syllabus. In August.

2 students asked for, and received, permission to take the exam another time because of a conflict. (They asked two weeks ago.)

2 students emailed me last night asking for more time. One stated that "there's too much to read."

2 other students just didn't show up.

Oh, yes, and this exam constitutes nearly a fifth of the course grade.

WTF?

Heck, even Brad Childress only had one Brett Favre to deal with.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
Flunk 'em. This is college, not high school.

I had one Professor who said "the only excuses I listen to are death, and of that, only if it's yours." That's how he started the semester. Didn't put up with shit and by the middle of the semester, didn't have to deal with any shit because they realised he was serious.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

2 students asked for, and received, permission to take the exam another time because of a conflict. (They asked two weeks ago.)



Yes. (Asuming you told them they could at that point.)

2 students emailed me last night asking for more time. One stated that "there's too much to read."



No.

2 other students just didn't show up.



No.

There are rules and guidelines schoolwide for this stuff, aren't there? Non of the above would fly at my college. Dates for exams are set at the start of the periods. If you can't make it, that's too bad for you, you have to retake it 2 periods later.
djcubez
14 years ago

Flunk 'em. This is college, not high school.

I had one Professor who said "the only excuses I listen to are death, and of that, only if it's yours." That's how he started the semester. Didn't put up with shit and by the middle of the semester, didn't have to deal with any shit because they realised he was serious.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Screw that teacher. I would never take a class like that. Instant drop. This teacher wouldn't allow you to miss class because it was your mother's funeral? That is some fucked up shit zombie.

The problem with college is you have people from all different tracks of life. Some people have kids and families. Others are working full-time and trying to balance a few classes here and there. Then you have the privileged kids who just have their parents pay their way through college. For the latter group of people I can definitely understand a "no excuse" rule. But for people with children and jobs? Sometimes you just can't make it and I think the fact that your child or job got in the way is a damn good excuse. The only issue I see is that as a student you should make it known to your teacher ahead of time that you live under certain circumstances and a situation could arise in the future where you will miss an important class.

I've missed getting paid for the last month because my boss' wife has cancer. He's canceled all our past meetings and I have to catch up on my bills because of this. In class today my boss could have called and said he had time between chemo sessions to come meet me and pay me. Now normally I wouldn't like leaving class but I consider the fact that I'm getting paid an important enough reason to leave. And yes I would have informed the teacher. But he didn't call me and now I have to drive through rush hour traffic to get my damn paycheck.
Porforis
14 years ago

Flunk 'em. This is college, not high school.

I had one Professor who said "the only excuses I listen to are death, and of that, only if it's yours." That's how he started the semester. Didn't put up with shit and by the middle of the semester, didn't have to deal with any shit because they realised he was serious.

"djcubez" wrote:



Screw that teacher. I would never take a class like that. Instant drop. This teacher wouldn't allow you to miss class because it was your mother's funeral? That is some fucked up shit zombie.

The problem with college is you have people from all different tracks of life. Some people have kids and families. Others are working full-time and trying to balance a few classes here and there. Then you have the privileged kids who just have their parents pay their way through college. For the latter group of people I can definitely understand a "no excuse" rule. But for people with children and jobs? Sometimes you just can't make it and I think the fact that your child or job got in the way is a damn good excuse. The only issue I see is that as a student you should make it known to your teacher ahead of time that you live under certain circumstances and a situation could arise in the future where you will miss an important class.

I've missed getting paid for the last month because my boss' wife has cancer. He's canceled all our past meetings and I have to catch up on my bills because of this. In class today my boss could have called and said he had time between chemo sessions to come meet me and pay me. Now normally I wouldn't like leaving class but I consider the fact that I'm getting paid an important enough reason to leave. And yes I would have informed the teacher. But he didn't call me and now I have to drive through rush hour traffic to get my damn paycheck.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



The thing that turns me off about the "no bullshit" attitude is that the students are paying to take the class, and paying the teachers' salaries. Not being able to miss a class because your mother died? A little harsh. Asking for extra time at the last minute? Definitely all for the "You knew what to expect going into this, if you didn't you weren't paying attention".

The customer isn't always right, but remember who pays your paycheck. I had my fair share of shitty teachers that were much worse than the students Wade has to deal with... Habitually 40-50 minutes late, didn't follow the syllabus and basically taught us nothing for a 3 credit course. Just ghost a bunch of windows xp machines over and over in class, read a book, no assignments on the readings, then a final exam on the book. Talked to the head of the department, the teacher started coming in 30 minutes late, and the department head/dean just threw their hands up.
4PackGirl
14 years ago
what professor has a test scheduled before a holiday? man that guy must be an idiot!! 😉

you know i love ya wade. 😃
zombieslayer
14 years ago


Screw that teacher. I would never take a class like that. Instant drop. This teacher wouldn't allow you to miss class because it was your mother's funeral? That is some fucked up shit zombie.

The problem with college is you have people from all different tracks of life. Some people have kids and families. Others are working full-time and trying to balance a few classes here and there. Then you have the privileged kids who just have their parents pay their way through college. For the latter group of people I can definitely understand a "no excuse" rule. But for people with children and jobs? Sometimes you just can't make it and I think the fact that your child or job got in the way is a damn good excuse. The only issue I see is that as a student you should make it known to your teacher ahead of time that you live under certain circumstances and a situation could arise in the future where you will miss an important class.

I've missed getting paid for the last month because my boss' wife has cancer. He's canceled all our past meetings and I have to catch up on my bills because of this. In class today my boss could have called and said he had time between chemo sessions to come meet me and pay me. Now normally I wouldn't like leaving class but I consider the fact that I'm getting paid an important enough reason to leave. And yes I would have informed the teacher. But he didn't call me and now I have to drive through rush hour traffic to get my damn paycheck.

"djcubez" wrote:



DJ - Another beauty of college is you can drop any class.

FYI, I did drop his class. I was just showing another extreme. You don't want to be a jerk. But you don't want to be too "understanding" either. For the record, understanding teachers end up putting in a heck of a lot more hours of their own time than teachers who don't put up with anything. I'm sure Wade would agree with that last statement.
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djcubez
14 years ago

Flunk 'em. This is college, not high school.

I had one Professor who said "the only excuses I listen to are death, and of that, only if it's yours." That's how he started the semester. Didn't put up with shit and by the middle of the semester, didn't have to deal with any shit because they realised he was serious.

"Porforis" wrote:



Screw that teacher. I would never take a class like that. Instant drop. This teacher wouldn't allow you to miss class because it was your mother's funeral? That is some fucked up shit zombie.

The problem with college is you have people from all different tracks of life. Some people have kids and families. Others are working full-time and trying to balance a few classes here and there. Then you have the privileged kids who just have their parents pay their way through college. For the latter group of people I can definitely understand a "no excuse" rule. But for people with children and jobs? Sometimes you just can't make it and I think the fact that your child or job got in the way is a damn good excuse. The only issue I see is that as a student you should make it known to your teacher ahead of time that you live under certain circumstances and a situation could arise in the future where you will miss an important class.

I've missed getting paid for the last month because my boss' wife has cancer. He's canceled all our past meetings and I have to catch up on my bills because of this. In class today my boss could have called and said he had time between chemo sessions to come meet me and pay me. Now normally I wouldn't like leaving class but I consider the fact that I'm getting paid an important enough reason to leave. And yes I would have informed the teacher. But he didn't call me and now I have to drive through rush hour traffic to get my damn paycheck.

"djcubez" wrote:



The thing that turns me off about the "no bullshit" attitude is that the students are paying to take the class, and paying the teachers' salaries. Not being able to miss a class because your mother died? A little harsh. Asking for extra time at the last minute? Definitely all for the "You knew what to expect going into this, if you didn't you weren't paying attention".

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Interesting points but I agree with the "you know what to expect" part. If the exam is clearly on a syllabus a student should respectively tell the teacher a few days before hand that they'll probably miss it. Unless there are dire extenuating circumstances (car crash, child is sick, mom died) there is no excuse for missing it.

The part about paying for the class is why I think missing class for your job is a damn good reason. The only reason you're in the class to begin with is because you worked your ass off for the money needed to pay your way into that class.

Wade, the students that said "too much too read." Screw 'em. The one's that didn't show up? You don't have to give them the benefit of the doubt but at least figure out why they didn't show up. Maybe offer them a chance to get half-credit by taking it late.

I missed a midterm for a lecture once, completely by mistake. I know it's hard to believe but I didn't have a good excuse, I just completely forgot and blew it off. I didn't think for one second that I'd be given another opportunity but I decided to ask the teacher anyway. What could I lose? He told me to write an essay on a specific part of class material. Depending on how good the paper was he said he'd consider giving me credit. Turns out he loved my paper and I got a B on the exam. Granted this was a class called "American Popular Music" and my essay was about how psychedelic drugs influenced rock and roll 😉
zombieslayer
14 years ago
OMG DJ. I'd so love to read that paper. Do you still have it?

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Cheesey
14 years ago

OMG DJ. I'd so love to read that paper. Do you still have it?

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"zombieslayer" wrote:

My one year in college, my Mom was on her deathbed. She died in October, and i fell behind in all my classes.
I worked my ass off to catch up. All my professors said they would give me incompletes, so i could redo the classes.
I turned them down. Still ended up with over a 3.0 average.
My one teacher asked me to come back and the end of the school day......he sat down, and told me he NEVER saw anyone do what i did. He was amazed that i was able to complete all my courses.
I got a B in his class.
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