Jon305
14 years ago
did anyone else notice how charles passed on braylon edwards into the endzone?? thank god mark sanchez didnt even notice
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Finley88Beast
14 years ago
Honestly to tell you the truth stats don't matter to me sometimes they can be deceiving.For example look at our rush defense most of us agree it looks better than our 25th rush D entails.If we don't win a game stats don't matter to me.Indeed it looks like our stats has droped but I think winning games matter more to me.

But I do like seeing Arod pass for over 4000 Yards each year. 😛
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Finley88Beast
14 years ago

did anyone else notice how charles passed on braylon edwards into the endzone?? thank god mark sanchez didnt even notice

"Jon305" wrote:



On that play action pass?
There was suppose to be S help there,Peprah bit on the Play action.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

The question I have is why? Jermichael Finley hardly played a role in this offense at all in 2008, yet Aaron Rodgers' play was outstanding. Finley only began to emerge in the second half of 2009 as a force to be reckoned with, yet Rodgers' output was still outstanding. How did Rodgers become so dependent on Finley over the course of the offseason? And is this Rodgers' fault or some kind of gross schematic miscalculation on the part of the coaching staff?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




Much like you and Greg, I too have been wondering what has happened. I think over-reliance on Finley is a factor, but I'm beginning to think more and more that the loss of Grant and inability to actually have a running game is a larger (perhaps even biggest) factor.

Particularly in our Miami loss, it was appalling how much Rodgers was relied upon to be the offense. Granted he is your play maker, but when it's obvious the defense is playing pass first and basically all but putting up a sign in the middle of the field inviting you to run, the stubbornness of McCarthy to not run was astonishing. I saw gaps along the O-line that Ryan Pickett could fit through, yet McCarthy and Co. asked Rodgers to drop back and be savior. I think the inability to set his feet also comes into play here, because he is trying to keep plays alive / have a bit more time so that one of his receivers - if not Aaron himself - can get to the middle and really take advantage of the coverage opposing teams are playing.

The following games, teams have been emulating that strategy: pay two-deep safety, play man-to-man underneath, and drop 1-2 LBs. It's a blend of zone and man-to-man. They start with seven in the box, but after the snap mostly have 5 or six players remain in the box. McCarthy has mentioned the success B-Jack has had lately and I think most of it can be attributed to the fact teams are basically daring us to beat them on the ground with the run, which we cannot do because B-Jack is hardly a game changer at RB.

It's frustrating as heck to see week after week 6 to 7 players dropping back to play the pass against 4-5 receivers and us still forcing the issue. It's even more frustrating to see the middle of the field and the edges of the field be ripe for exploiting, and yet McCarthy still insist on throwing the ball. Frankly, we're forcing the issue on offense and telling Aaron to go play savior anyways... you cannot do that and expect to maintain a high level of success.

I've started to conclude that Ted has really let his franchise player down by not providing a RB worth a damn behind Grant. As much as I hate to to say this, sometimes I wonder if it would be for the best to have Rodgers go down for a game or two so Ted's glaring lack of help in terms of personnel can be better exposed. Yes, good RBs are a dime a dozen, but it is frustrating when our biggest need on offense since week 1 is continuously ignored. A decent running game would do a lot to make defenses respect the run more and keep 7 even 8 players in the box, giving our receivers more one-on-one match-ups that they and Rodgers can easily take advantage of.

Teams have found the strategy to beating the Packers: make them successfully run it down your throat. Unfortunately, with our personnel at RB, we cannot do that. I see no reason why teams would change that strategy given it has worked pretty well to shut our offense down. It was surprising to see someone like Rex Ryan, who emphasizes the blitz and playing press-man with his corners, using the same strategy the Dolphins used. Rex Ryan, who has had tremendous defensive success with his variation of the 3-4 was willing to alter it.

The NFL is a copycat league, and teams have found a way to shut down our pass-first offense. It'll be interesting to see if McCarthy and co. can counter that. Based on recent weeks though, I am not optimistic that McCarthy can because I see him sticking to his pass-first approach. And while some may blame him for that stubbornness, I think we have to look beyond and realize that he simply has no faith in his RB personnel to run it more consistently.

Although interestingly, someone pointed out to me recently that with Grant we only gave him about 17 carriers per game last year. Meaning, perhaps it is not the RB personnel but the O-line personnel that McCarthy does not have faith in which could very well be the case. In which case, McCarthy is a totally incompetent coach because he chose to install the Zone Blocking Scheme, which called for more agile and quicker O-linemen than heavy and mauling type ones. McCarthy talks big about establishing the run, but he never has in his time here. And I think that is now catching up with him in a big way.
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beast
14 years ago
Running yards per attempt average is down... but it's not horribly down... In 2009 the average yards per rush attempt was 4.3 as a team. In 2010 the the average yards per rush attempt is 4.2 as a team.

What's down is the number of attempts to run it... seriously MM needs to mix it up a bit more and run a tad more to keep teams more off balance... yes we're not great at running the ball... but more of a mix should open up the passing game a bit more with play fakes.....

Also there were holes against the Jets once in a while... but one mistake stopped the plays. Like there were two plays where Kuhn had a whole to run through if Bulaga was able to stay on his man... but he wasn't and that guy got the tackles...
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

What's down is the number of attempts to run it... seriously Mike McCarthy needs to mix it up a bit more and run a tad more to keep teams more off balance... yes we're not great at running the ball... but more of a mix should open up the passing game a bit more with play fakes.....

Also there were holes against the Jets once in a while... but one mistake stopped the plays. Like there were two plays where Kuhn had a whole to run through if Bulaga was able to stay on his man... but he wasn't and that guy got the tackles...

"beast" wrote:



The O-line play was bad, but even when it has been good (Vikings) he refuses to run more. I also wonder if a better (i.e. speedier) RB would put less of a strain on the O-line in terms of how long they have to sustain their blocks.

I'm reminded of a quote when McCarthy coached the 2007 pro-bowl, where Adrian Peterson was one of the RBs. McCarthy expressed his delight at Peterson's talent, and said if he had that type of a RB he'd be able to run the ball 50 times a game... I'm wondering if that was a subtle hint that McCarthy has never had the type of RB he covets during his tenure here....
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RajiRoar
14 years ago
i really think we need to get a new weapon for Rodgers this offseason. our O needs a boost in the big-play department IMO.

i'd like a Julio Jones, or even a Harvin type player.

That is, if MM is gonna pass 35+ per game.

I'd LOVE a top-tier RB that MM would be more inclined to use.

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Finley88Beast
14 years ago

i really think we need to get a new weapon for Rodgers this offseason. our O needs a boost in the big-play department IMO.

i'd like a Julio Jones, or even a Harvin type player.

That is, if Mike McCarthy is gonna pass 35+ per game.

I'd LOVE a top-tier RB that Mike McCarthy would be more inclined to use.

"RajiRoar" wrote:



I would like a punt returner/serviceable back honestly we'll be healthy next year and have all our playmakers back.
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Dulak
14 years ago
cough 'who has the most sacks this year' cough
mi_keys
14 years ago

Someone mentioned in the chat room last game that Rodgers' output took a steep nosedive following the concussion. It would be interesting to look at the numbers and see if this can be borne out. Is it possible he's throwing behind his receivers because he in fact is confused and genuinely doesn't know where they're supposed to go?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronrodgers/gamelogs?id=ROD339293 
http://www.primecomputing.com/ 
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010101003/2010/REG5/packers@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay 

Rodgers statistics through the Washington Redskins game:

Att: 168
Comp: 111
Yards: 1,233
TD: 9
INT: 6
Rat: 90.70

Rodgers statistics after the Washington Redskins game:

Att: 101
Comp: 54
Yards: 778
TD: 3
INT: 3
Rat: 76.26

And since some of you postulated that Rodgers actually suffered his concussion on the qb sneak on the goal line against the Red Skins I looked at the play by play to get the break down of the Washington game as before and after:

Before qb sneak:

Att: 16
Comp: 13
Yards: 149
TD: 1
INT: 0
Rat: 126.30

After qb sneak:

Att: 30
Comp: 14
Yards: 144
TD: 0
INT: 1
Rat: 47.08

If that qb sneak was actually when he suffered the concussion, Rodgers numbers pan out as such:

Pre concussion:

Att: 138
Comp: 97
Yards: 1,089
TD: 9
INT: 5
Rat: 100.18

Post concussion:

Att: 131
Comp: 68
Yards: 922
TD: 3
INT: 4
Rat: 69.58

So I would say, yes his numbers have nose dived after the concussion and that the nose dive is even more dramatic if, in fact, he was concussed on that qb sneak. Then again, maybe after that drive the Redskins made defensive adjustments and since then teams have been copying what they did. This doesn't necessarily prove anything, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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