Pack93z
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16 years ago
There is always the era thing to consider if you are going to compare straight statistics though.. today's game is more passing oriented than the game in the 50's and 60's. Statistics in football across the generations is more misleading than in say a game such as baseball.

That is what makes some of this so speculative in nature and is part of the fun in it all. If you want to base it of just pure stats.. one would have to consider the Lynn Dickey lead Packers O.. on numbers alone. But to pick Dickey over either is just plain silly.

My point is, that both brought different things to the table that both teams were geared for.. so one would have to consider what type of team you are building, what the role of the QB would be, and what era you want to consider in picking such a legendary team.

One could argue to the day is gone on both accounts, Favre or Starr.. and without the big picture neither answer would be truly wrong, IMO.

LOL.. as you can tell.. I am not a huge stats guy.. give me how they impact what you are trying to do on the field more so than the numbers they put in a book to be referenced.
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yooperfan
16 years ago
Misspelling the names of Stenerud and Marcol wasn't very impressive, makes me think he didn't put much thought into the kicking game.
I also think John Brockington should have been mentioned.
Gravedigga
16 years ago

There is always the era thing to consider if you are going to compare straight statistics though.. today's game is more passing oriented than the game in the 50's and 60's. Statistics in football across the generations is more misleading than in say a game such as baseball.

That is what makes some of this so speculative in nature and is part of the fun in it all. If you want to base it of just pure stats.. one would have to consider the Lynn Dickey lead Packers O.. on numbers alone. But to pick Dickey over either is just plain silly.

My point is, that both brought different things to the table that both teams were geared for.. so one would have to consider what type of team you are building, what the role of the QB would be, and what era you want to consider in picking such a legendary team.

One could argue to the day is gone on both accounts, Favre or Starr.. and without the big picture neither answer would be truly wrong, IMO.

LOL.. as you can tell.. I am not a huge stats guy.. give me how they impact what you are trying to do on the field more so than the numbers they put in a book to be referenced.

"pack93z" wrote:



I pretty much agree with this.. You cant compare different eras.

Imagine this.................lets put KGB of today in the 60's. Today he is undersized but back then he would be average. We would look at him today as the best D-lineman in the history of the game instead of a situational pass rusher which is what he is today.

Point is, most teams have running backs that are just as big as O-Lineman of the 1960's. Different era. No offense to Bart Starr, i'm sure he was great but with what Favre knows about the passing game, it's not even close. I honestly dont think Starr in his prime would get a roster spot over Flynn or Brohm and i'm dead serious.
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Gravedigga
16 years ago

Point is, most teams have running backs that are just as big as O-Lineman of the 1960's. Different era. No offense to Bart Starr, i'm sure he was great but with what Favre knows about the passing game, it's not even close. I honestly dont think Starr in his prime would get a roster spot over Flynn or Brohm and i'm dead serious.

That is one of the stupidest statements I have heard Gravedidda. Putting two rookies over an All Pro? you are F'D up.

And Favre is playing in a pass happy offensive rule set up. Have you ever read the rule changes over the years?

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Not trying to offend the heroes of the past. I hate when people compare todays baseball players to players from the 60's, 70's & 80's. It's a big insult to them and what they have accomplished. That said, baseball & football are different sports and your size and knowledge of schemes is much more important. I mean, with A LOT of coaching, Starr could learn to play todays game but with his skill level and knowledge of modern offenses, he might make an nfl roster but certainly is in doubt to whether he would be even a pro bowler.
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Gravedigga
16 years ago

Grave digga,

I no longer wish to discuss football on this site with you.

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Ok, sorry i hurt your feelings. Bart Starr is much better than Brett Favre. Happy?
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PackerTraxx
16 years ago
Good list. But I would definitely have had Dave Robinson on at LB before either Mad Dog or Noble althought I like both.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
PackerTraxx
16 years ago
On the offense link a blatant miss is Gale Gillingham who was probably our best OG ever, certainly one of the best two based on the criteria stated. I believe Jim Ringo and Ken Bowman were as good or better than any of the centers listed. Although Frankie is one of my all time favorite player.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
longtimefan
16 years ago

BRYCE PAUP
zombieslayer
16 years ago

An "All time packer defense" thread has been Favre'd? Really? A defensive thread? jeez.

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Trom - Heh. since this went way off topic anyways, about your sig. I'd say Jordy gets MVP. He looked awesome in the few times he touched the ball.
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Pack93z
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12 years ago
Hoping maybe we have a candidate or two step up from this years defense and start making a run on gaining entrance to this list.

Woodson is about all that would really challenge to be included as of right now.
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