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14 years ago

Green Bay Packers must give up on Justin Harrell
 
BY MIKE VANDERMAUSE MVANDERMAUSE@GREENBAYPRESSGAZETTE.COM AUGUST 20, 2010

Its time for the Green Bay Packers to pull the plug on the failed Justin Harrell experiment.

The 2007 first-round draft choice has spent the better part of four years fighting a losing battle against injuries. The Packers need to shut it down for good and move on.

This has nothing to do with Harrells character or work ethic. Hes an upstanding citizen who has tried his best to live up to the high expectations that accompanied his selection with the 16th overall pick.

But its not working, and the longer the Packers drag this out, the less time and energy they can spend grooming worthier and healthier defensive linemen.

Whether Harrell is injury prone, has a low tolerance for pain or is simply the victim of a string of bad luck doesnt matter anymore. It has become clear he cant make it in a league that demands, in the words of Packers coach Mike McCarthy, availability and accountability.

Harrell hasnt completed a full season since his junior year in college. He missed all but three games as a senior (torn biceps) at Tennessee, then played in just seven games as a Packers rookie (ankle). His injury troubles were just getting started.

Harrell missed the 2008 offseason program, training camp and the first seven games following back surgery. He was activated in midseason but lasted only six games before a hip injury related to the previous back problems flared up. Last year, Harrell stayed healthy for only one week of training camp before reinjuring his back and missing the entire season.

Having played in just 16 games in four years coming into training camp, Harrell and the Packers were hoping his fortunes would change.

On Monday, after Harrell made it through two weeks of practice without an injury, he spoke optimistically. Everything is holding up good, Harrell said. Just trying to take it one day at a time.

By the next morning, Harrells back tightened up, and he hasnt practiced since.

McCarthy, in an obvious attempt to protect his beleaguered player, downplayed the latest development.

Its training camp, McCarthy said. It happens.

Yes, but its Harrell, and injuries happen to him all the time.

McCarthy has expressed visible displeasure with other injury-prone players through the years, trotting out his familiar availability and accountability phrase, but he has never appeared impatient with Harrell. Its possible he feels sorry for Harrell, whose effort hasnt been questioned by his coaches.

The kid is working his butt off, said defensive line coach Mike Trgovac. Hes trying hard.

Its also possible McCarthy wants to give Harrell every possible chance to succeed because he sees great potential in the 6-foot-4, 315-pounder. As recently as the Packers preseason opener last week against Cleveland, Trgovac saw flashes of promise in Harrell.

Justin I thought showed some signs of life, Trgovac said. I thought he did some good things in the game. Its just a matter of keeping him out here. Justins a good football player. Hes a strong kid that can move. When hes in there, he does a good job for us.

The problem is, hes hardly ever in there because hes nursing one ailment or another.

Its possible Harrells back could loosen up in time for him to play in the preseason game against Seattle Saturday night, but even in the unlikely event that happens, how long can he last?

We know the answer based on his injury-checkered past.

Mike Vandermause is sports editor of the Press-Gazette.



I think he's right. I think they really do feel sorry for him. They say the same things about Justin Harrell that one says about a retarded child: "He's trying so hard!"
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RajiRoar
14 years ago
Packers training staff was working on Harrell's back in the first quarter. im no expert but if his back is acting up before he even gets on the field that is a bad sign.

especially since the fat turd basicly moon'd our whole section in the process. :pukeright:

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14 years ago
He really missed one day of practice because of injury. The other day he would've practiced, but had to be their for the birth of his child. And he played against Seattle. He was in their late in the game as well back injury and all.

If he's better than the guys he's competing against, I keep him. If not, I let him go.
MassPackersFan
14 years ago
I know it doesn't really matter, but this is just an asshole move by Vandermause, who hasn't shut up about Justin Harrell all summer. For one, this article has been written about a dozen times before. Secondly, his first child was just born, and you're going to write an article telling the Packers GM to get rid of Harrell the next day? Asshole.

Imagine if your first child was born and the next day someone wrote a lengthy article/email/whatever saying you should be fired.
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago
I think right now I'd say he's out, but he shouldn't be cut now. Give him a chance until the final cuts.
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yooperfan
14 years ago
The kid doesn't show much at this point, but then he hasn't gotten much playing time due to injury.
I think they should give him a chance, if he can stay healthy, to the final cutdown.
I don't think there is any need to rush to judgement with any of our D-linemen at this point.
Lynn_Dickey
14 years ago
Is anyone here old enough to remember the Mandrich days? I do. And this was the same crap that was going on with him. The beat writers knew he was a bust (mostly because the coaches and scouts would tell them so) and they would write that he was bust, and a few fans with green and gold glasses would defend the guy. I heard so may arguments about him back in the day it was ridiculous. In the end....BUST. Let me me end the supsense on Harrell.......BUST. I like TT, and I think he has done a very good job, but this was a bad pick. It happens. Cut him and move on. Or, cut him in a few weeks but do not let him take away practice time from potential players.
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TheEngineer
14 years ago
Do PUP players count against the 53 man roster? We could PUP him to start the season if it doesn't. I'm not sure if the Packers would be willing given his salary though.
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CaliforniaCheez
14 years ago
Let's look at this in a realistic manner and not an emotional one.

7 D-linemen make the roster.

NT- is Raji. Pickett moves inside if something happens to Raji. Toribio make the practice squad as insurance.

Jenkins and Neal make the team so we are up to 4.

The last 3 spots are up for grabs between Harrell, Wynn, Wilson, and Talley.

Let's say the Packers go with only 6 D-linemen. Pickett, Jenkins, Raji, Neal and 2 of Harrell, Wynn, Wilson and Talley.

Harrell still makes it. With the Jolly suspension, Harrell makes the team.

Wilson was a 7th rounder teams passed on in the draft. He's done nothing is preseason that would cause a team to claim him before the Packers put him on the practice squad. Nobody signed Talley when they had their chances.

If Harrell gets injured they activate Wilson off the practice squad. They will not cut Harrell.
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Lynn_Dickey
14 years ago
OK C Cheese, let's look at realistically. Back-ups need to play special teams! In the startting 3 D-line, we have 4 potential starters. Pickett / Raji / Pickett / Neal. The other 2 spots are for back-ups who prove they can play special teams. Harrell has not proven he can stay healthy to play special teams. So, either he has the talent to be a starter, or the team is weaker keeping him on the roster. From the comments coming out of GB, McCarthy et all are serious about improving special teams. If so, I do not see how Harrell makes this team. Aslo, many 3-4 Defenses keep extra Line backers for special teams and only go with 6 down lineman.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I don't understand all the sympathy thrown Harrell's way. The man has made over $15 million to do absolutely nothing. He's made more money than a lot of players with much longer, more productive careers. From that perspective he is one of the luckiest men in the history of mankind: he has enough money to last him the rest of his life, and he's done essentially nothing to earn it.

So what if he had a baby a few days ago? If he's that thin skinned, he needs to get out of the league.
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go.pack.go.
14 years ago

I don't understand all the sympathy thrown Harrell's way. The man has made over $15 million to do absolutely nothing. He's made more money than a lot of players with much longer, more productive careers. From that perspective he is one of the luckiest men in the history of mankind: he has enough money to last him the rest of his life, and he's done essentially nothing to earn it.

So what if he had a baby a few days ago? If he's that thin skinned, he needs to get out of the league.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



So if YOUR wife was having a baby, you'd rather be at training camp than being there with her?
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14 years ago
well, if he had a baby, that explains why people thought him fat.

But I don't think it was that JH was upset...but that people shouldn't jump to conclusions just because he missed practice, because being there for childbirth is sort of expected for dads these day if it is possible.

Certainly more important than a mere football practice.
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14 years ago
Vandermause should write for Bleacher Report. He has all the style and charisma of a semi literate fifth grader.
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I don't particularly feel sorry for JH. As Rourke points out, he's had 15 million of salary that most people never get.

OTOH, I am bothered by those who confuse "he didn't justify his draft position" with "he's a fat, lazy whiny slob" or similar. Not good enough to keep around longer...okay, I can buy that argument. Not sure I agree, but it's a legitimate argument.

But he plays at a fat guy position. Maybe *the* fat guy position.

And as for "lazy" or "whiny" or similar adjectives -- I'm just not buying that fans have the standing to make such moral judgments.

Certainly, I dispute whether we have access to evidence that would justify our making such.
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MassPackersFan
14 years ago

I don't understand all the sympathy thrown Harrell's way. The man has made over $15 million to do absolutely nothing. He's made more money than a lot of players with much longer, more productive careers. From that perspective he is one of the luckiest men in the history of mankind: he has enough money to last him the rest of his life, and he's done essentially nothing to earn it.

So what if he had a baby a few days ago? If he's that thin skinned, he needs to get out of the league.

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This has nothing to do with Harrell's reaction to Vandermause. It's simply my take on someone who is apparently just a dick reporter. Do you read the training camp blogs? He does not shut up about it. Not to mention it's just lazy journalism appealing to the bitcher and whiner fans. The article has been written 10 times before. Everyone understands the Harrell situation. Shit, why not write an article saying Rodgers should make the team. It would be stupid and lazy but at least it wouldn't make you look like an asshole.
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tonyagnese
14 years ago
He played extensively in the second half last night and I saw several plays where he held up the line of scrimmage pretty well. He didn't necessarily make any impact plays but definitely had a hand on several plays. Certainly worth keeping around at least for the remainder of camp, and if he holds up, likely to make the roster. Mike V. seems WAY too eager to write him off. I don't know if Harrell will make the team but I do know his mix of size and speed are not often replicated. Powerful defensive lineman are not a dime a dozen and easily replaced. And also, considering the absence of Johnny Jolly creates an opening on the defensive line, I say keep him on the roster this season and see how it pans out...
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
His wife went into the hospital for an emergency C-section. If it was my wife and kid, I couldn't live with myself if I wasn't there and something bad happened.

My opinion is, since cutting Harrell at this point doesn't save any money because a settlement would equal his pay. We need D linemen, he is healthy and played well last night. Cutting him now would be foolish.

Does he make the team? Yes, IF healthy. It gives him a chance to make his contract actually pay off. He said he feels like he owes it to the team.

If he is not healthy enough to play, then cut him. That is what I would expect, but it is unwise to do it before.
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago
Do I specifically want this guy to our roster? No. But if he's healthy, he's good enough to warrant a roster spot with the depth we currenlty have in the D-line.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

So if YOUR wife was having a baby, you'd rather be at training camp than being there with her?

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Dude, what does this have anything to do with what I wrote? Obviously, I have no problem with Harrell's leaving training camp for the birth of his child. My rhetorical question was in reference to people who took umbrage with Vandermause's criticizing Harrell so soon after the birth of his child. The fact he's a new father should not exempt him from criticism. He's done nothing. He's a fair target for criticism, whether or not his wife just had a baby.
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