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Greg C.
Registered

14 years ago

Sherman's best move might have been to insist on the Packers hiring a GM when he started, based on his lack of experience. His handling of Favre was atrocious and he had no QB coach the first 2 years. That's one thing I like about McCarthy, he seems to be a good QB coach and he also is becoming a better game coach.

"PackerTraxx" wrote:

I'm not following you here. Sherman was hired by Ron Wolf, who was the GM at the time, and a year later Wolf stepped down, so Sherman took over GM duties as well. I can't recall ever hearing anything about Sherman insisting that the Packers hire a GM.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#22

"Greg C." wrote:

"PackerTraxx" wrote:

I'm not familiar with that either. I do know that Bob Harlan said GM and HC should be held by two separate individuals instead of one.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#23

I think the only way he's gone is if the Packers fall flat this year. If they make the playoffs, he's safe. If they don't, he's probably gone.
JMO

porky88
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#24

Another thing, I hope McCarthy develops more of a "killer instinct" because it starts with him as far as the team is concerned.

"PackerTraxx" wrote:

This is a great point. The team does struggle to finish opponents off.

Here is something interesting to ponder for people.

I think most people argue the four elite NFC teams going into the season are Green Bay, Minnesota, Dallas, and New Orleans.

I'm not so sure that Mike McCarthy isn't the second best head coach out of that group. Worth pointing out.

http://www.row12.com/

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#25

the lack of the killer instinct does suck ... the guy obviously never played Mortal Kombat.

For you old farts here's the theme music.
[mp3 width=400 height=20]http://packershome.com/zAudio/MortalKombat001.mp3[/mp3]

And the specific reference I'm referring to.
[mp3 width=400 height=20]http://packershome.com/zAudio/MortalKombat002.mp3[/mp3]

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

14 years ago

#26

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

"Greg C." wrote:

I'm not familiar with that either. I do know that Bob Harlan said GM and HC should be held by two separate individuals instead of one.

"PackerTraxx" wrote:

My bad, I was thinking he came in as GM/HC. Grey hairs cause memory loss. In that case Harlan should have stuck to what he believed.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

14 years ago

#27

Another thing, I hope McCarthy develops more of a "killer instinct" because it starts with him as far as the team is concerned.

"porky88" wrote:

"PackerTraxx" wrote:

Wade Phillips has done way better than I thought he would do in Dallas.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?

beast
Select Member

14 years ago

#28

I wonder how much, if any reason to keep Sherman on board was for Ted to more thoroughly evaluate other potential coaches?

"Greg C." wrote:

I've always thought that even though Ted was given full power as GM, he was hired with the understanding that he would try to work with Sherman for at least a year. I thought it was a bad match right from the beginning, and Harlan should've fired Sherman outright.

But you make an interesting point. Keeping Sherman around for a year did give Ted time conduct a more deliberate coaching search after the season.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

Yeah I've wondered that my self... also I'm not sure but it seemed like a lot more coaches were out there the year we hired Mike McCarthy than the year before. But it also did give Thompson another year to look... and Harlan probably did want to keep Sherman.

And from what I've heard Thompson was willing to work with Sherman but Sherman wasn't happy he lost his GM job and couldn't get past that to give Thompson a fair chance... and when GMs and coaches can't get along usually the GM wins it seem...

Another thing, I hope McCarthy develops more of a "killer instinct" because it starts with him as far as the team is concerned.

"porky88" wrote:

"PackerTraxx" wrote:

I agree that's has been something I haven't liked about MM... when the Packers have a close lead late he seems to play not to lose... and trying to take time off the clock more so than to keep putting points up on the board.

earthquake
Member

14 years ago

#29

I think you would have to see very bad season, less than 4 wins, without huge injury losses to explain the season. I think a solid season keeps him here, the team seems to have too much potential and chemistry to go back into rebuilding mode under a new HC. Do it oldschool, give your coach a chance to really settle in, very few teams that swap out coaches every few years are successful.

36-26 overall record in 4 years, one championship game appearance, a crazy crazy loss in last years playoffs on an even crazier play. I dont think these are the sort of numbers that get a guy ran out of town.

Its funny to see so many people comment that he isn't aggressive enough, because to me, comparing him to Sherman, the thing i notice most is that the guy has some balls. Sure, he's not the gutsiest guy in the league, but he's far far from the most conservative either. What you guys are saying about "playing not to lose" 95% of coaches in the NFL do the same.

Edit: Oh, you could also make a decent case that Mike McCarthy was one of the biggest contributing factors into turning BF's career around, once he started buying into Mike's system, he had one of the best years of his career in 2007.

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Silentio
Registered

14 years ago

#30

Mike McCarthy is not going anywhere and it would be a mistake to even consider a move.

McCarthy is the mastermind behind one of the very best offenses in the NFL. McCarthy also knows Rodgers better than he knows himself with no dropoff after the loss of a HOF QB. A new HC means a new offense. That's how it works. Anybody want to see that? I know I don't.

If it would mean a change on D I wouldn't want to see that either. They just installed this one.

I can see no good coming out of a coaching change and to do so because we don't win two playoff games or whatever, well, a change would probably reduce the following years chances to do better.

As far as previous coaches and the time they were given, well, to be honest they were lousy coaches. Sherman had everything he needed to win at least two SB's in the early 2000's and couldn't do it and the others never showed they had the team going in the right direction.

Lastly, we have a team here now with the kind of talent on the final 45 that is at the least very close to the level our SB teams. That, in no small way, has to do with the relationship between McCarthy and Thompson who work together and listen to each other. You make HC and GM changes when the teams going the wrong way and unless I'm way off that's the opposite direction I see this team headed.

"warhawk" wrote:

+1 Great post. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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