djcubez
15 years ago

The hyperbole in this thread is starting to annoy me. In point of fact, from a constitutional perspective, President Obama has been a much better president than his predecessor, in that he has remained deferential to the prerogatives of Congress. Our constitution gave us a relatively weak chief executive, and while Obama may be no model of constitutionality, he has made some effort to scale back the abuses.

Furthermore, he has been one of the most pro-gun (or at least not anti-gun) presidents we've had in decades. Gun control provisions around the country on both the federal and state level have been scaled back at a rate perhaps never seen since the advent of gun control.

Of course President Obama didn't sponsor this bill; it is impossible for a president to do so. That's why all the rhetoric flying around about how this is an obvious fascist power grab by Obama is preposterous. I don't see this bill passing in the first place, but even if it does in some neutered form, I frankly don't see Obama signing it. The backlash against it would be severe.

And just to reiterate, Lieberman was in the running to be the REPUBLICAN RUNNING MATE. If anything, this is a naked power grab by the neo-conservative camp, not the left.

"Wade" wrote:



WIth all due respect, the fact that he is an improvement over his predecessor is *not* sufficient. A dead ardvark with fleas carrying bubonic plague would have been better than his predecessor.

In my hyperbolic opinion, the country would have been better with the Oval Office empty than occupied by either Obama or his predecessor.

The reason America is so fucked up politically is that we have become a nation willing to settle for "the lesser of two evils".

I'm not sure anyone said this was a fascist power grab by Obama. People said Obama is a fascist. That's a very different thing. Hyperbolic, perhaps. But still a different thing.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I'm not a very politically inclined person but I doubt in a democracy we could ever get away from voting between "the lesser of two evils." There is never going to be a candidate you and I can agree on wholeheartedly. Personally I've supported many politicians I thought I agreed with only to see them pull a complete 180 in specific situations.

There are many problems with politics but I specifically hate how it's turned into a power struggle with parties literally fighting one another for the right to undo whatever their opposing predecessors accomplished for their own parties. Most people in politics seem to have simply lost their interest in the people and are more concerned with their own agendas. The long-last question for American politicians should be "what's in the best interest of the country and it's entire population."

As long as we have the right and freedom to argue over what we want in our country and government I'll be happy regardless of my own ideals.
djcubez
15 years ago
I sent this article to one of my professors who teaches a technology/communications and technology/ethics class. This is what he said:

Yes, I've seen reports on this legislation. I think the phrase, "Good luck with that," applies. Turns out that the government really only has effective control over the part of the Internet built by the major telecommunications companies. Separately, various estimates put the number of privately supported fragments in the tens of thousands worldwide (and counting).

Wade
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15 years ago

I sent this article to one of my professors who teaches a technology/communications and technology/ethics class. This is what he said:

Yes, I've seen reports on this legislation. I think the phrase, "Good luck with that," applies. Turns out that the government really only has effective control over the part of the Internet built by the major telecommunications companies. Separately, various estimates put the number of privately supported fragments in the tens of thousands worldwide (and counting).

"djcubez" wrote:



It's a good point.

One of the virtues of living in a global economy is that it means the ability of even a "big government" can only enforce its will so much. Globalization by definition is a reduction in the costs of making private arrangements, and that includes arrangements the government doesnt want made.

That's why, as long as there's real demand for drugs and the services of immigrants, neither the War on Drugs nor silly things like walls across the south of Arizona will ever work.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Porforis
15 years ago

I don't see this as a good thing. It's essentially the same as if 50 years ago they proposed to shut down all radio and tv stations in the event of a national emergency. What good would that do? It would kill a major form of mass communication and could only make the situation worse. How stupid. Yes, let's take away everyone's ability to communicate in the midst of a crisis.

"rabidgopher04" wrote:



Emergency broadcast system? They can't shut it down, but they can take it over.

Edit: Apparently it was replaced by the Emergency Alert System in '97. I should have known that, was kind of working master control at a TV station after that.
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