Zero2Cool
14 years ago
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The biggest difference between NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and his peers arises from the fact that, in our view, Goodell hasn't forgotten what it's like to be a fan of the sport he runs. And so he thinks and communicates like a fan, especially when talking to other fans.

After he finished calling out draft picks on Friday night from the stage at Radio City Music Hall, he held court for an extended period of time with a throng of fans near the ESPN broadcast platform. On Saturday, Goodell talked to a group of fans at the draft who won a chance for a sit-down with the Commish, and he spoke about the issue of rookie pay in a manner that surely will resonate with everyone who hears his words.

Except the rookies and their agents.

"I love [Rams quarterback] Sam Bradford, and I hope he's great, but he probably made somewhere between $40 and $45 million the night before last," Goodell said. "He has not even hit the field yet and that's a guaranteed contract. So if Sam Bradford can't play, what good does that do any other NFL player? As much as I like these young rookies, and I do think they're terrific, it's crazy to give someone who hasn't proven themselves on the NFL field $45 million.

"I think over these three days, we will give $600 million in guaranteed money to these rookies that you're hearing their names. $600 million. And if let's just say half of them don't make it and the money is equivalent to this, that's $300 million out the door. It doesn't go to veterans, it doesn't go to owners. It goes to somebody who couldn't play the game. That's wasting money."

He's right. Now that the draft is over, we can focus on the fact that history tells us roughly half of the players picked will indeed be busts. And so roughly half of them won't live up to the huge contracts those taken at the top of the process will receive.

It's an issue on which the NFL and the union appear to now agree, and a deal likely would be reached on this point if/when a consensus can be established as to the broader issue of pay and benefits for all players. Still, there's a strong sense in league circles that 2010 will be the last year of the "free money" -- and any rookies who don't like what they're offered in the coming months and who contemplate sitting out the year and re-entering the draft should keep that in mind.



I can't imagine a new CBA without a rookie wage format of some kind.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
IMO, as I have stated before, is truly one of the driving issues of the opt out from ownership.. this issue alone had killed many franchises bottom line annually.
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Formo
14 years ago

IMO, as I have stated before, is truly one of the driving issues of the opt out from ownership.. this issue alone had killed many franchises bottom line annually.

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Yeah.. it's redonkulous. Those kids have to go out and earn it.
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IronMan
14 years ago
NFL owners complaining about rookies' salaries humors me. "We need a rookie wage scale! Rabble rabble!"

This would be like me going to a strip club, tipping the dancers $50 a pop, and then complaining to the management that there needs to be a tipping limit because I always spend too much money.
Formo
14 years ago

NFL owners complaining about rookies' salaries humors me. "We need a rookie wage scale! Rabble rabble!"

This would be like me going to a strip club, tipping the dancers $50 a pop, and then complaining to the management that there needs to be a tipping limit because I always spend too much money.

"IronMan" wrote:



It's not about owners complaining.. They complain no matter who gets the big contract. Besides, there's a cap limit anyway, and most owners get pretty damn close to it. Cutting the rookie salaries allow more cap room, which allow more money to the guys/FAs that deserve it.

It's about unproven 'talent' joining an organization and automatically being one of the highest paid 'talent' in the organization.
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djcubez
14 years ago

NFL owners complaining about rookies' salaries humors me. "We need a rookie wage scale! Rabble rabble!"

This would be like me going to a strip club, tipping the dancers $50 a pop, and then complaining to the management that there needs to be a tipping limit because I always spend too much money.

"IronMan" wrote:



You forgot two key parts in your analogy.
1. The dancer is young, inexperienced and above all else, unproven.
2. You wouldn't be tipping an average amount. It'd be well above average possibly in the hundreds to thousands of dollars category.

I don't go into a job interview fresh out of college demanding to be paid the average salary of the top-10 highest paid people in my profession.
IronMan
14 years ago

NFL owners complaining about rookies' salaries humors me. "We need a rookie wage scale! Rabble rabble!"

This would be like me going to a strip club, tipping the dancers $50 a pop, and then complaining to the management that there needs to be a tipping limit because I always spend too much money.

"djcubez" wrote:



You forgot two key parts in your analogy.

"IronMan" wrote:



No, my analogy is perfect.

I don't go into a job interview fresh out of college demanding to be paid the average salary of the top-10 highest paid people in my profession.

"djcubez" wrote:


You would if employers (like NFL owners) were dumb enough to pay you that much.
Rockmolder
14 years ago

NFL owners complaining about rookies' salaries humors me. "We need a rookie wage scale! Rabble rabble!"

This would be like me going to a strip club, tipping the dancers $50 a pop, and then complaining to the management that there needs to be a tipping limit because I always spend too much money.

"IronMan" wrote:



You forgot two key parts in your analogy.

"djcubez" wrote:



No, my analogy is perfect.

I don't go into a job interview fresh out of college demanding to be paid the average salary of the top-10 highest paid people in my profession.

"IronMan" wrote:


You would if employers (like NFL owners) were dumb enough to pay you that much.

"djcubez" wrote:



Problem is this, though.

If one owner refuses to pay that amount, his team will never become good and there's a pretty decent chance he won't win more than 2 games a season. That kills off a fanbase really fast.

If all the owners work together and no one signs a FA anymore, there will be strikes. And I'm sure that one or two owners (Uch.. Jones... Uch... Snyder) will screw it over and sign everyone they want, anyway. That's why this has to be put in a CBA.
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
If owners collectively agreed not to pay the rookies more than a specified amount, that would be collusion and would void the NFL's anti-trust exemption. Such a plan must be negotiated with the players in the collective bargaining agreement to maintain the anti-trust exemption.
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IronMan
14 years ago



Problem is this, though.

If one owner refuses to pay that amount, his team will never become good and there's a pretty decent chance he won't win more than 2 games a season. That kills off a fanbase really fast.

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Draftees do not have free agent rights. Don't want to sign the offer we give you? Tough shit. Sit at home for a year and try again in the next draft.

You really think players will do that? No, they will take what is offered.
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