You can't fix "stupid".

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The Fail is strong with him.

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Don't be making me post those pictures of you in all of your fine Vikings regalia again.

Or perhaps I shall find someone that lives in your community, snail-mail them the hard copies and have them post them throughout the community..... every store, church, school, library and street corner! ::wink:

I AGREE!!!! I AGREE ALREADY!!!LOLOL!!!

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Them there are fighting words my friend.. lol.. work was bad enough. 😉

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Jesus, you're old. 😛

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Wade - Good question. I've always believed that the way to teach someone something (in this case, teach them the "right" belief as they obviously don't believe the right thing, like Vikings' fans for example), is to set the right example.

Do as I say not as I do doesn't teach anyone shit other than the person who says this is a hypocrite.

The other thing, don't make personal attacks. If he starts making personal attacks, call him on it. Say that's an argument ad hominem and it has nothing to do with the argument.

Stick to your guns. And be fair.

Also very importantly, listen to what he has to say. People love to talk and love it even more when there's someone on the other side who actually listens.

When you do all these things, you're more likely to have them listen to your side.

Smile when they are speaking. I remember Lloyd Benson debating Dan Quayle and Benson made Quayle look like a complete jackass. Not saying which one I agreed with, just perception. Benson smiled the whole time, especially when Quayle was speaking, looked confident, and listened when Quayle spoke. Quayle on the other hand interrupted, looked nervous, and looked like he didn't know what he was talking about. You gotta keep your cool.

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the people i respect are the ones i listen to time & time again. i may still not agree but i will absolutely listen to those i have a high level of respect for. my dad wasn't a highly educated man but he grew up very poor, learned from his dad, from his own mistakes, & from others mistakes. that type of knowledge is not obtained in any classroom.

I was raised by a man who would never budge, and had an arrogance to him that he was right and most people are stupid. This man was verbally abusive to my mother, my brother, and me. I didn't agree a lot of his ways, but I had to respect him just out of fear. It was just accepted in those days. To say he had a profound influence on how I think is an understatement. In my mid twenties my father was tried and convicted of GSI of my nieces. My family's whole world was turned inside out and we were left with broken lives, and feelings of bitterness and betrayal.

Now how does this relate to your question Wade, well in my case, hard headedness and an unwillingness to listen to the other side would be both a genetic defect and behavioral one. I find myself having some of my father's bad mannerism towards other peoples thoughts and opinions, and it really bothers me because I try to be a better man than he. It is wrong to dismiss someone else's opinion as moronic, but I'm afraid there are just some things we can't help sometimes.

In the case of the Minnesota Vikings, I'm with 93; only I'm not brave/dumb enough to bet against a stacked deck.

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I shall (mostly) reserve personal commentary, but do have an "oldie but goody" that I have always felt was worth the time and trouble to consider.



From Homo Neanderthalensis, H. L. Mencken, The Baltimore Sun, June 29,1925

I find your (Wade's) query a bit ironic. Count me as one that admires your persuasive skill-set.

The Goby fish on the big island of Hawaii will climb a 300 foot waterfall in pursuit of a peaceful and predator-free pool of water in order to mate. I think they average under 2 inches in length.

Those that make it are probably happy for having made the effort in a Goby kind of way, but most do not make it in the first place- some of those that didn't quite get there can always "fall back" on becoming Goby-curmudgeons, I reckon ...Just my totally goofy way of saying, "Good luck with that one." lol


The aspirational Goby:

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