zombieslayer
15 years ago
Well, so much for Jefferson being Christian.

Anyone know about the other Founding Fathers? I'll readily admit the only one I thoroughly researched was Jefferson. I just heard from other people (who happen to be professional historians) that the majority were Deists too, and NOT Judeo-Christians contrary to popular belief.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
John Witherspoon, a signatory of the Declaration of Independence, was a devout Presbyterian minister.

The Committees of Correspondence, headed by Samuel Adams, were famous for the rallying cry: "No King but King Jesus." (Reportedly, at the battle of Lexington, when Major Pitcairn famously enjoined the rebels "in the Name of King George the Sovereign of England" to "Disperse, ye villains, ye villains, disperse! Why don't ye lay down your arms?" John Hancock and John Adams responded, "We recognize no Sovereign but God and no King but Jesus!"

Jonathan Trumbull, a crown-appointed governor, wrote: "If you ask an American, who is his master? He will tell you he has none, nor any governor but Jesus Christ."

The men of Marlborough, Massachusetts unanimously declared in 1773: "Death is more eligible than slavery, a free-born people are not required by the religion of Jesus Christ to submit to tyranny, but may make use of such power as God has given them to recover and support their laws and liberties . . ."

Samuel Adams wrote: "We have this day restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come." Definitely not a Deist thing to say.

Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration and Surgeon General of the Continental Army, wrote: "I have alternately been called an Aristocrat and a Democrat. I am neither. I am a Christocrat." He also said: "The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments." In that era, "Religion" almost always meant "Christianity."

Patrick Henry wrote: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians: not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

Yes, there were very many Christians among the Founding Fathers. They weren't all Deists like Jefferson and Franklin nor all atheists like Thomas Paine.
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15 years ago

Yes, there were very many Christians among the Founding Fathers. They weren't all Deists like Jefferson and Franklin nor all atheists like Thomas Paine.

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Considering where the people were coming from and the era, it would be phenomenally bizarre for them NOT to be Christians.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I don't understand your point. The fact that they were Christians is for me beside the point. Whether or not they were Christians, they had the wisdom to give us a secular state, not a religious republic.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

I don't understand your point. The fact that they were Christians is for me beside the point. Whether or not they were Christians, they had the wisdom to give us a secular state, not a religious republic.

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And thank God for that. From a historical perspective, theocracies have ALWAYS sucked.

As for the era, it wasn't as religious as people think. There was a lot of hatred of organized religion as a lot of it was about as corrupt as today's mafia, or worse.

Thanks for the info, Non. I guess it was more a mix. Not that it matters. I don't care what religion anyone is as long as they abide by the Bill of Rights.
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Formo
15 years ago

I don't understand your point. The fact that they were Christians is for me beside the point. Whether or not they were Christians, they had the wisdom to give us a secular state, not a religious republic.

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And thank God for that. From a historical perspective, theocracies have ALWAYS sucked.

As for the era, it wasn't as religious as people think. There was a lot of hatred of organized religion as a lot of it was about as corrupt as today's mafia, or worse.

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Yeah. That was the reason the Union succeeded from Britain in the first place.

Thanks for the info, Non. I guess it was more a mix. Not that it matters. I don't care what religion anyone is as long as they abide by the Bill of Rights.

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I tried telling you that in another thread!!! lol There was a big mix, but the majority of the Founding Fathers were considered Christians.
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15 years ago
Regardless what everyone has to say, Tebow's prayer didn't seem to help his Wonderlic score. 3rd or 4th round pick here.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
What was his wonderlic score?

Formo - Yeah, but Non had more specific examples. ;)
Sorry, I'm an amateur historian so I like examples.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

What was his wonderlic score?

Formo - Yeah, but Non had more specific examples. ;)
Sorry, I'm an amateur historian so I like examples.

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Tim+Tebow+Wonderlic 

22. But that's no biggie. A smart QB is great, but Marino scored a 15. Kelly scored 15. Fitzpatrick scored 49 or something.
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
I care more about football smarts than book smarts.
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