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I'm glad to see the world loves us now and are generally less pretentious.

First, from another article...

The United States leads the way among developed nations with $114.5 million donated as of Wednesday, according to the U.N. That's more than 28 percent of the $397 million donated to rebuild the impoverished Caribbean nation. The United Kingdom and France are next with more than $30.9 million and $16.8 million donated, respectively. Australia ($13.4 million) and Italy ($8.7 million) round out the top five donating countries.



According to Google...
US GDP: $14.2 Trillion US dollars at current prices
Italy's GDP: $2.29 Trillion US dollars at current prices

United States: 0.000806338028% of GDP
Italy: 0.000379912664% of GDP

Go fuck yourself. If America is expected to take charge and tell everyone what to do like you're suggesting (Which you'd complain about if we DID) and you can do things so much better, why not close your fucking mouth and take charge?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583829,00.html 

Italy's top disaster official blasted the U.S.-led relief effort in Haiti as a "pathetic" failure that is turning a national tragedy into a "vanity show for the television cameras."

Guido Bertolaso, the head of Italy's Civil Protection Agency, told Italian television on Sunday that the U.S. military "tends to confuse military intervention with emergency intervention," and that despite the presence of 13,000 U.S. troops there, "no one is giving orders."

He said there is a danger that aid will be lost by the "inefficient" operation.

Bertolaso threw darts at targets ranging from former President Bill Clinton to the United Nations, which he faulted for throwing aid packages at the island and hoping for the best.

"They thought they could bring something to eat and drink and the problem would be resolved," he told a television interviewer.

Bertolaso called for the appointment of a civilian international humanitarian coordinator.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini quickly distanced the government in Rome from Bertolaso's comments and said the Cabinet-level official was not speaking in an official capacity when he lit into the U.S.

"We have lamented from the first day that there has been a lack of adequate coordination," Frattini told Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera. "But this doesn't mean that Italy has any intention of criticizing the U.S. efforts."

Bertolaso is well respected in Italy for coordinating relief efforts after the 2009 earthquake in L'Aquila, which killed over 300 people. He showed President Obama around the area in central Italy when he visited for the G-8 summit in July.

The U.S. took over the only working airport in Haiti after a 7.0-magnitude earthquake struck on Jan. 12, killing at least 150,000 and leaving millions homeless. Dispatching 13,000 troops to the island, the U.S. has coordinated an international relief effort topping $1 billion in donations.

For its part, the U.S. has already sent nearly $184 million in aid to Haiti since the quake struck, according to the latest U.N. estimates. Italy has donated over $9 million, and like the U.S. has sent in recovery teams to help manage the living and recover the dead.

A spokeswoman for USAID, the government organization heading up relief efforts there, directed calls to the State Department, which did not return calls and e-mails seeking comment.

Bertolaso also struck out at aid groups sending millions in relief and hundreds of volunteers to help the struggling island. He said the forces helping Haiti were often more focused on public relations than providing assistance.

"Once they've arrived on the scene of a disaster, organizations too often think about putting up a big poster with their symbol on it, to look good in front of cameras, rather than getting to work to bring aid to those who need it," he said.

Bertolaso accused those aid groups of "putting on a vanity show for the television cameras instead of rolling up their sleeves," singling out Bill Clinton, the U.S. Special envoy to Haiti, for a special thrashing.

Clinton made a show of helping with water supplies during his time in Haiti, Bertolaso said, "but went back after a day."

Yet despite the horrific conditions on the ground exacerbated by downed communications and ruined roads relief groups say it's remarkable that aid is reaching people who desperately need it.

"Given the extreme logistical challenges in Haiti and the scale of the devastation, the fact that aid is getting through and is flowing and is being stepped up every day that's really good news," said Alina Labrada, a spokeswoman for CARE.

4PackGirl
15 years ago
are you f'in kidding me?? i think my skull just split a little. ARRRRGH!!!!!
zombieslayer
15 years ago
Just added Guido Bertolaso to my list of people who are banned from my anti-zombie compound once the plague starts.

You know what? Screw it. I say we stop all foreign aid, stop all interventions, and stop bailing out foreign governments. Let's let the rest of the world fall.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Not to mention remove ALL troops from other countries. +1 to Zombieslayer (again).
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15 years ago

Not to mention remove ALL troops from other countries. +1 to Zombieslayer (again).

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Yup. Let Germany and Japan defend themselves. And everyone else.

For the record, ever wonder why nobody hates the Swiss? I've always said we should be more like the Swiss. Everyone have a fully automatic machine gun in their house and when other countries fight, we play cards (or make watches or whatever the heck they do over there).
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15 years ago
Stick to pizza and wine, my swarthy commentator! By the way...what the fuck is Italy contributing to these efforts?
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Yes, every male is issued a fully automatic machine gun and 70 rounds (which he must keep locked separately) and he must demonstrate proficiency with the weapon yearly. There was a reason why Hitler never invaded Switzerland. It wasn't because that country was "neutral" -- it was because what with the armed citizenry, a complex system of tunnels, and mountainous terrain, it would have been suicide to invade. His vaunted Wehrmacht would have been slaughtered.
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Yes, every male is issued a fully automatic machine gun and 70 rounds (which he must keep locked separately) and he must demonstrate proficiency with the weapon yearly. There was a reason why Hitler never invaded Switzerland. It wasn't because that country was "neutral" -- it was because what with the armed citizenry, a complex system of tunnels, and mountainous terrain, it would have been suicide to invade. His vaunted Wehrmacht would have been slaughtered.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Not to mention it makes no sense to invade Switzerland when France is right there.
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15 years ago

Stick to pizza and wine, my swarthy commentator! By the way...what the fuck is Italy contributing to these efforts?

"digsthepack" wrote:


All the ravioli you can eat???


("F" Italy!)
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Oh yes....for some reason "Italian politician" makes me think of old Benny Hill skits.





The bad ones.



No, the really bad ones.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

Yes, every male is issued a fully automatic machine gun and 70 rounds (which he must keep locked separately) and he must demonstrate proficiency with the weapon yearly. There was a reason why Hitler never invaded Switzerland. It wasn't because that country was "neutral" -- it was because what with the armed citizenry, a complex system of tunnels, and mountainous terrain, it would have been suicide to invade. His vaunted Wehrmacht would have been slaughtered.

"Wade" wrote:



Not to mention it makes no sense to invade Switzerland when France is right there.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



+1.

We had a German intern years ago. I took him drinking one day and we talked about the usual stuff - work, politics, beer, chicks. Then, I thought I got him liquored up enough so very secretly, I asked him if he saw me as a friend. He said yes. Then I asked him if he trusted me to which he said yes. Then I said, "so, when are you planning on attacking France?"

He played dumb like they're all buddy buddy now. Yeah, whatever.

Damn. I thought we were friends.

A little German history for you non-history people - Germany becomes a nation in 1870. 1871 - they beat up the French. 1914 - they beat up the French. 1940 - they beat up the French. You know what they say about history? It's 2010. Long overdue.
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Who can BLAME them? The French are best known for the use of their "white flags".
Kind of the "nerd" that everyone likes to pick on.
Of course, WHO would the wussie French come running to IF they were attacked again??? Yup.......big bad AMERICA.
I say SCREW EM!
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15 years ago

Yes, every male is issued a fully automatic machine gun and 70 rounds (which he must keep locked separately) and he must demonstrate proficiency with the weapon yearly. There was a reason why Hitler never invaded Switzerland. It wasn't because that country was "neutral" -- it was because what with the armed citizenry, a complex system of tunnels, and mountainous terrain, it would have been suicide to invade. His vaunted Wehrmacht would have been slaughtered.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Not to mention it makes no sense to invade Switzerland when France is right there.

"Wade" wrote:



+1.

We had a German intern years ago. I took him drinking one day and we talked about the usual stuff - work, politics, beer, chicks. Then, I thought I got him liquored up enough so very secretly, I asked him if he saw me as a friend. He said yes. Then I asked him if he trusted me to which he said yes. Then I said, "so, when are you planning on attacking France?"

He played dumb like they're all buddy buddy now. Yeah, whatever.

Damn. I thought we were friends.

A little German history for you non-history people - Germany becomes a nation in 1870. 1871 - they beat up the French. 1914 - they beat up the French. 1940 - they beat up the French. You know what they say about history? It's 2010. Long overdue.

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Germany got their asses handed to them royally by the French, as well, from time to time. Although a lot of that came before they where actually known as Germany.

Fricken' Wilhelm and Bismarck and their unification.

How are these numbers calculated, btw? The money that goes right from government to government? Does it include donations to Docters Without Borders etc. as well? We had a benefit thingy the day before HFHN aired. They gathered 41,5 million Euros. That got doubled by the government, so 83 million Euros should be going to Hati, right? Does that get accounted to the Netherlands?

Not that it matters in the end. What I did notice is that the Italian minister doesn't actually attack your economic input. He's just bringing up the same points which Foster made quite a few days ago and which we applauded him for.

Or I'm just not getting it, of course.
zombieslayer
15 years ago

Who can BLAME them? The French are best known for the use of their "white flags".
Kind of the "nerd" that everyone likes to pick on.
Of course, WHO would the wussie French come running to IF they were attacked again??? Yup.......big bad AMERICA.
I say SCREW EM!
(Sorry for the rant)

"Cheesey" wrote:



Well, to be fair, France paid for our revolutionary war. Sure, with an ulterior motive to screw over England. But still. I say we're now pretty much even.

Now other people when they call for our help, I say screw them as other countries haven't really helped us historically. I'd pull out of pretty much everywhere and the next time a war happens, we should let them kill each other.
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Germany got their asses handed to them royally by the French, as well, from time to time. Although a lot of that came before they where actually known as Germany.

Fricken' Wilhelm and Bismarck and their unification.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Yeah, but that was before Germany was a country. It would be equivalent to Mexico bragging that they defeated the United States because they won some battles against Texas before Texas became part of the USA.
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Yes, every male is issued a fully automatic machine gun and 70 rounds (which he must keep locked separately) and he must demonstrate proficiency with the weapon yearly. There was a reason why Hitler never invaded Switzerland. It wasn't because that country was "neutral" -- it was because what with the armed citizenry, a complex system of tunnels, and mountainous terrain, it would have been suicide to invade. His vaunted Wehrmacht would have been slaughtered.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Not to mention it makes no sense to invade Switzerland when France is right there.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



+1.

We had a German intern years ago. I took him drinking one day and we talked about the usual stuff - work, politics, beer, chicks. Then, I thought I got him liquored up enough so very secretly, I asked him if he saw me as a friend. He said yes. Then I asked him if he trusted me to which he said yes. Then I said, "so, when are you planning on attacking France?"

He played dumb like they're all buddy buddy now. Yeah, whatever.

Damn. I thought we were friends.

A little German history for you non-history people - Germany becomes a nation in 1870. 1871 - they beat up the French. 1914 - they beat up the French. 1940 - they beat up the French. You know what they say about history? It's 2010. Long overdue.

"Wade" wrote:



Germany got their asses handed to them royally by the French, as well, from time to time. Although a lot of that came before they where actually known as Germany.

Fricken' Wilhelm and Bismarck and their unification.

How are these numbers calculated, btw? The money that goes right from government to government? Does it include donations to Docters Without Borders etc. as well? We had a benefit thingy the day before HFHN aired. They gathered 41,5 million Euros. That got doubled by the government, so 83 million Euros should be going to Hati, right? Does that get accounted to the Netherlands?

Not that it matters in the end. What I did notice is that the Italian minister doesn't actually attack your economic input. He's just bringing up the same points which Foster made quite a few days ago and which we applauded him for.

Or I'm just not getting it, of course.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I was no part of that conversation, what I'm ranting about is armchair quarterbacking. If you can lead things better, lead. Don't yell at someone else to "lead" better.

Bertolaso also struck out at aid groups sending millions in relief and hundreds of volunteers to help the struggling island. He said the forces helping Haiti were often more focused on public relations than providing assistance.

"Once they've arrived on the scene of a disaster, organizations too often think about putting up a big poster with their symbol on it, to look good in front of cameras, rather than getting to work to bring aid to those who need it," he said.



Maybe I'm missing something too, but this man seriously needs to stop his bitching until he does something to help. I fail to see what any of these aid companies are doing wrong. I hear bitching from people about flights with being turned away... Where the hell are they supposed to land? What else are these aid companies doing wrong?

I'm not going to read an entire thread. Can you summarize Foster's point for me?
Rockmolder
15 years ago
I wouldn't want to read the entire thread, either, but just look up the 3 posts by Foster. It's not too much to read and it pretty much states it all. This one isn't again any country as much as it is against the overall help given right now, btw.

http://packershome.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&t=7984 

The French get out as bad guys there, as well. Gotta love them. Lol.
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15 years ago
Katrina was Dubya's fault but Obama gets a free pass for being incompetent.
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I read his shit. (Guido's)

As Porforis stated...

It's armchair quarterbacking.

We (the US) is busting their hump trying to unscrew that place.

My armchair quarterbacking is for consumption here amongst friends, and it was in "real time" with people dying as I was typing...Not to make any political hay, and I do know a quite a bit about logistics and such, so was merely venting in a (big scheme of things) private way.

I (and the rest of my countrymen/women) don't need some Italian asswipe telling us shit about what we are doing/not doing there. I will admit that he had some extremely valid points, but I just don't want/need to hear it from him.

Go tear down some Vota Communista posters in Naples and then come talk to me asshole.

...And the French can blow me also, but you already knew that.

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Like I always say..

If you can't say something nice about a second-rate European nation that would have been wiped off the face of the earth twice in the last century if it wasn't for the U.S., and has brought nothing of value to this culture but wine and cheese ... both of which are made better in California ... then don't say anything at all.
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