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Offline play2win  
#16 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post
I don't think anyone saw the defense declining the way it did from 2010 to 2011.


After losing Cullen Jenkins to Free Agency? And then, Mike Neal to a knee injury before the season even started?
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#17 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:43:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
After losing Cullen Jenkins to Free Agency? And then, Mike Neal to a knee injury before the season even started?

You don't expect to go from one of the best defenses in the league to one of the worsts by losing Cullen Jenkins
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#18 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:14:27 PM(UTC)
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I did. I was SUPER concerned, before he even left, before the SB, when there was chatter about his impending FA and not getting a deal. To me, he was one of those guys a team could not lose.

We might have been just fine, had Neal not gotten hurt too.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:33:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Well, I meant "of late."

I do believe we all were hoping for a solid run of SBs after our win in the 2010 season. We needed some players on our D to help us get there, especially front 7, and it didn't happen. Did it?

Have we improved since winning SB XLV? Or, have we digressed?


Digressed huh? hahahaha. I would suggest we haven't even REgressed. An inspired finish by a team not expected to go to/win the Super Bowl, followed by 15-1, followed by an injury-plagued 11-5 with a playoff loss to a 49er team playing out of their minds who then proceded come back down to earth against Atlanta and Baltimore.

I hate defending Ted Thompson. I got fried in the other forum for suggesting he was not quite a "great GM". Most of the original post of this thread is valid. Yet we still have a great team, possibly the best in the league. If Sherrod and Perry and Bishop come back and play as they were expected to play, then things will be fine. Thompson in fact has upgraded RB, WR, CB, and arguably OT and OLB if Sherrod and Perry do the job. Safety also we may already have the pieces in place. Center also, the jury is still out, but EDS may well be a long term solution. That basically leaves the D Line, and hopefully that is addressed in the first round this year.

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#20 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:20:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Digressed huh? hahahaha. I would suggest we haven't even REgressed. An inspired finish by a team not expected to go to/win the Super Bowl, followed by 15-1, followed by an injury-plagued 11-5 with a playoff loss to a 49er team playing out of their minds who then proceded come back down to earth against Atlanta and Baltimore.

I hate defending Ted Thompson. I got fried in the other forum for suggesting he was not quite a "great GM". Most of the original post of this thread is valid. Yet we still have a great team, possibly the best in the league. If Sherrod and Perry and Bishop come back and play as they were expected to play, then things will be fine. Thompson in fact has upgraded RB, WR, CB, and arguably OT and OLB if Sherrod and Perry do the job. Safety also we may already have the pieces in place. Center also, the jury is still out, but EDS may well be a long term solution. That basically leaves the D Line, and hopefully that is addressed in the first round this year.



Regressed. Yes. And we did. If you couldn't see that amidst our 15-1 run ending in a loss at home in the playoffs to the NYG, breaking records, NFL records for all-time defensive futility in 2011, well...

Lets add into the equation other defenses took most of that season to figure our offense out, and our own staff failed to adjust since. I'd say this team has regressed overall. Our defense improved greatly in 2012, in some respects, and got worse in others. Sacks & INTs improved, as did a drop in explosive plays via the pass. But, our run D set NFL records for futility.

Regardless, I agree with you that we are not too far away from being a good team again. It's weird. We are in a spot with some big unknowns that could factor in to our benefit, if some of these players return healthy. Perry, Bishop, House, Williams, Bulaga, Benson. I don't hold out much hope for DJ Smith, Worthy or Sherrod. But Quarless could help, Jordy could stand a fully healthy year.

Get some players back healthy, add 3 or 4 who really contribute via the draft, and we can compete. I would add, change the toughness mindset with some better coaching and play calling, and we could be back in this thing.

I appreciate your take and I agree with you quite a bit.
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#21 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:17:30 PM(UTC)
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It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.
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#22 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:16:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.


Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?

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#23 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:18:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?



Oh yeah, Bulaga - answered my own question

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#24 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:25:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.


So, you think players that couldn't make it a full season, are going to help this upcoming season? Flapper

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#25 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:41:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.
Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?
Sherrod, Perry, Bulaga and whom ever they pick this year (if they don't trade out of the 1st round)

I think the Packers NEED to upgrade the DL.

Depending how bad Worthy's knee got hurt, he might miss most or all of the season.

Love Raji's potential but he's not getting it done and struggles run clogging (which you want out of a NT) and he doesn't have the arm reach you would look for to put at 3-4 DE. And then because he's not excited about all the run clogging, he then get down with his pass rushing. This might sound odd, but I think losing Jenkins took some of the excitement out of the game for Raji and someone on the DL for him to compete with and push him. That or he just doesn't seem like the same guy in the pass rush he used to be.

Pickett is great at run clogging, but struggles in pass rush.

Wilson and Neal have their moments, but other than flashing potential here and there seem like back-ups to me.

Too early for Worthy and Daniels, thought Worthy has look good against the run, not so much pass rushing. Daniels has flashed at times, despite being a little bit limited to do his smaller size, the kid is VERY scrappy and hard worker.

I thought Daniels looked like the Packers 2nd best DL against 49ers, mainly because other than Pickett and Daniels the rest looked like they were getting their butt kicked badly. Pickett and Daniels didn't do great but seemed to hold their own and I enjoyed Daniels vs their RT battle.
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#26 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:55:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
So, you think players that couldn't make it a full season, are going to help this upcoming season? Flapper


I suppose the other option is to write them off and cut their worthless behinds since they got injured. They are guys you counted on when they were drafted why wouldn't you count on them again? Oh yeah, it's because they got hurt. No one ever comes back from injuries. It's a good thing the vikings didn't count on AP last year and went out and drafted another RB. It's a good thing the Broncos didn't count on Peyton Manning. I'm not saying any of our guys will have the impact that Manning and Peterson had but like I said, why wouldn't you count on them to make a contribution after their injuries unless you were not counting on them making a contribution before the injury.
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#27 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:24:42 AM(UTC)
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beast,

I like that Daniels kid too. He seems to get the job done, and our D seems lifted a bit when he is in. He's not a huge guy, but he has a motor. Seems pretty tenacious. That is the kind of stuff that rubs off on your surrounding players. Maybe he turns into one of those guys who makes the others around him better.
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#28 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 1:43:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
since 2010, we've taken alot of hits at positions that we still have yet to fill which have created big weaknesses on our roster.


I thought I'd update myself on where we currently stand now that the draft and FA have gone bye.



Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post

Nick Collins: really good FS
-Charlie Peprah, contributed to one of, if not the worst pass-Ds in NFL history
-M.D. Jennings, meh at best.
-Jerron McMillian, rookie, diddnt see too much to be very optimistic.
-Charles Woodson, old, slow, hurt, expensive.

I know Ted is not an injury-prevention wizard, but we lost a good player because of bad luck and are still looking for someone to fill his shoes.


-Micah Hyde

Sounds like he is getting more reps as a corner than safety. mcMillan will likely start at this point.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post

Cullen Jenkins: power DE
-Jarius Wynn, terrible player, and out of scheme.
-C.J. Wilson, a slighlty less bad version of Wynn
-Mike Neal, Has missed more games than he has played, best talent of the 3.

I've heard he priced himself out of GB, I've heard he offered a hometown discount... whatever. his Eagles contract was not unfair at all. since Cullen, we have not had a single lineman (including Pickett) have a significant impact against the run and pass.


AWWW YEEAH!

-Datone Jones (1st)

Finally! A "real" defensive end! Going off what we know (practice reports, cards game) Datone is dominating in practice. However, he only lasted one play in his preseason debut.. Hopefully it's not a sign.


Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post

Scott Wells: Solid Center
- Jeff Saturday, bust of a signing, diddn't finish the season.
- EDS, better than Saturday, not bad, but not good either.

I dont care that he was a bust with the Rams, he was a pro-bowl center for us, our running game was abysmal and we had another 50-sack season the year he left.


Ready to roll with EDS as the presumed starter.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post

the OLB position we still have not filled 4-years later
-Aaron Kampman, was a bad idea to begin with.
-Frank Zombo, injuries then dissapeared
-Brad Jones, moved inside.
-Erik Walden, one of the worst LBs I have ever seen start an NFL game.
-Nick Perry, lost rookie year.

what piss poor luck, we finally draft a guy, and he breaks his hand. This position is so key to be a sucsessful 3-4 D, it's not suprise our pass rush is this bad with the crew we've been rotating through there.


Unchanged.

Perry will start. Can't wait to see how he does.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post

Chad Clifton:Blindside pass protection
-Derek Sherrod, lost most of unimpressive rookie and 2nd year.
-Marshall Newhouse, has gotten better,struggles badly at times against good pass-rushers.

Clifton was on his last legs in 2010 (literally), we drafted Derek Sherrod with the 32nd pick. logical pick, kid had a first round grade, and thanks to Newhouse single-handidly allowing Tamba Hali to wreck what could have been a 16-0 season, Sherrod got an opportunity to snap his leg in half. Newhouse reclaimed the job has hasn't looked back.


Well then...
Newhouse has since been replaced by 1st round pick Bryan Bulaga..who promptly went straight to IR. do not collect 200 dollars. Sherrod is still trying to invoke his inner Justin Harrell. But wait.. There may be good news coming..maybe..

-J.C. Tretter (4th)
-David Bahktiariwhatever (4th)

Tretter is already out with a broken ankle, and with Bulaga on IR.. The LT position is once again in Limbo. Fortunately, "Baaaahk!" Is looking pretty good so far... So far.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post

Ryan Grant: workhorse RB
-Brandon Jackson, awful as a starter
-James Starks, injury prone.
-Alex Green, ACL rookie year, bad the next.
-John Kuhn, is a damn fullback.

Grant will never be confused with a great RB, but he was better than this pile of shit.


WoooHooooo!

-Eddie Lacy (2nd)
-Johnathan Franklin (4th)
-Frozen Pease (UFA)

Area of obvious weakness and Ted shotgun'd it in the face.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post

Greg Jennings: great reciever.. unfortunatly
-??????


With Cobb, Jones and Nelson missing their flight to minny, Ted luckily only had to replace 2 receivers this year.

-Charles Johnson (7th)
Has not played or practiced all offseason. (Red flag)
-Kevin Dorsey (7th)
Has practiced less than a week
-Jarrett Boykin
Moved up from the PS, I expect very little.
-Myles White, walker.. And a bunch of UFAs
They are UFAs for a reason

This offseason has left our receiving core as shallow as it has been since 06'.. No standout replacements.. This falls in line with the thread theme perfectly.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post


IMO, this team is a long way from getting back to a SB. And although I think Teddy is a good GM, I do not believe he is a great one. If we are not gonna make trades (either way), and not going to dip into free agency that's fine; but that means we have to rock the draft, which we have not done well enough recently.


I love quoting this guy, he's smart.


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#29 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 7:39:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
I thought I'd update myself on where we currently stand now that the draft and FA have gone bye.





-Micah Hyde

Sounds like he is getting more reps as a corner than safety. mcMillan will likely start at this point.



AWWW YEEAH!

-Datone Jones (1st)

Finally! A "real" defensive end! Going off what we know (practice reports, cards game) Datone is dominating in practice. However, he only lasted one play in his preseason debut.. Hopefully it's not a sign.




Ready to roll with EDS as the presumed starter.



Unchanged.

Perry will start. Can't wait to see how he does.



Well then...
Newhouse has since been replaced by 1st round pick Bryan Bulaga..who promptly went straight to IR. do not collect 200 dollars. Sherrod is still trying to invoke his inner Justin Harrell. But wait.. There may be good news coming..maybe..

-J.C. Tretter (4th)
-David Bahktiariwhatever (4th)

Tretter is already out with a broken ankle, and with Bulaga on IR.. The LT position is once again in Limbo. Fortunately, "Baaaahk!" Is looking pretty good so far... So far.



WoooHooooo!

-Eddie Lacy (2nd)
-Johnathan Franklin (4th)
-Frozen Pease (UFA)

Area of obvious weakness and Ted shotgun'd it in the face.



With Cobb, Jones and Nelson missing their flight to minny, Ted luckily only had to replace 2 receivers this year.

-Charles Johnson (7th)
Has not played or practiced all offseason. (Red flag)
-Kevin Dorsey (7th)
Has practiced less than a week
-Jarrett Boykin
Moved up from the PS, I expect very little.
-Myles White, walker.. And a bunch of UFAs
They are UFAs for a reason

This offseason has left our receiving core as shallow as it has been since 06'.. No standout replacements.. This falls in line with the thread theme perfectly.



I love quoting this guy, he's smart.


No standout replacements?

Jennings barely played last year, Driver as well..

Imo Boykin, Walker, and Ross are fine replacements for this offense. Obviously leadership is missing from Driver. But to say we are shallow at the position isn't true.
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#30 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 8:31:40 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, I kind of questioned the WR thing too. Jennings was out most of last year. Driver never played. We have some other young players who look like they have a chance to stick. And, I like Boykin. I think he's going to be very successful this season. I'm not the least bit worried about this group, as Ted finds incredible WR talent, and Rodgers knows how to get them where he wants. Rodgers is an excellent communicator, and I suspect he will be all over this group going into the season, to make certain they are where he wants them. I hope Jordy can return healthy. James Jones has been a rock. Cobb has his chance to shine. This could be really good.

I like Walker and Myles White is my dark horse to win a position. He has 3 very important games ahead of him. If he hits the PS, that would be fine too, because he is raw. Dude's got some talent though, and size.

Biggest thing here is what is looking more an more like a strict adherence to draft and develop. Our FA signings have been pretty low level in terms of pay, where there is a real hope for flipping the value curve to the team if they pan out. I get it. I just think one or two vets added each year wouldn't hurt, especially at areas where we have questions. I thought Canty would be perfect for us this offseason, but the Packers failed him on his physical. BAL scooped him up quickly thereafter. Who knows?

I trust Ted is being as prudent as possible in managing the balance of salary/talent.
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