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Offline Yerko  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:56:00 AM(UTC)
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Every year, I think we get really involved in the free agency...only to be *let down* by Ted Thompson's lack of hitting the market. Some of us agree with it, some of us don't. Personally, I like the plan of building through the draft and I think Ted Thompson and Co. do a pretty damn good job every season. I know there have been a TON of threads about the draft and potential picks but I thought maybe we could centralize all combine/draft/rookie talk into one area.

I always enjoy seeing what others think and had a good convo a few weeks back about the possibility of the Packers grabbing a RB in the 1st. Its fun to see where everyone stands and who we all think is the best choice. Of course, we are always wrong because there is no telling what Stone Cold Ted Thompson is going to do. That's the fun of it.

There isn't a certain format and you don't have to go all out 1-7 rounds on us if you don't want to. You can be completely unrealistic or you can take a realistic approach. If anything, try to make the first round choice a realistic one and go from there...
I look forward to seeing what everyone thinks. Personally, I love following college careers up to the combine and through to the draft.

Your thoughts. Mine coming shortly.


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#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:08:48 AM(UTC)
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BPA, weighted towards OLB, DL and C.

He grabs a really good WR in round 2 or 3.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:55:52 PM(UTC)
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1st round.
I have been convinced by the greats of this board that this pick MUST BE a defensive lineman. Will I be mad if its not? No. With that said, a 3rd name will be added for my enjoyment of watching others squirm.
Three names make sense to me here.
Jesse Williams- DT from Alabama
Jonathan Jenkins- DT from Georgia
Eddie Lacy- RB from Alabama
With news of Worthy not being ready for the 2013 season and Pickett on the back 9 of his career, a defensive lineman just makes more and more sense. These are both bigger bodies than some of the DTs in this draft. Eddie Lacy will be a valuable choice and his "shelf life" is nothing to be concerned about. Of course, if Lacy is picked...this ruins the rest of my choices.

2nd round.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Packers going one of three routes here (all 3 names would most likely have to be a trade-up). The small emergence of EDS at center might allow the Packers to go elsewhere with this pick, hopefully safety. If they don't think EDS can carry the load at center, they push for one this round. The recent news of Finley's chances of not being a Packer next season opens up tight end. Do not rely on what the Packers have now. That spells trouble.
Three names...
Matt Elam- S from Florida
Barrett Jones- C/G/OT from Alabama
Tyler Eifert- TE from Notre Dame
These names may not even be on the board by the time the Packers are making a choice at #52. Makes this interesting. Do the Packers move up to grab one of these names? If not, more options later on...imo.


3rd round.
If a center is not chosen in the 2nd, I'd think center is an option here and might have to be a trade-up to get the name mentioned. Other two routes, runningback and wide receiver. Both units could use an extra body. Runningbacks can't stay healthy and receivers are losing Greg Jennings.
Travis Frederick- C from Wisconsin
Le'Veon Bell- RB from Michigan State
Justin Hunter- WR from Tennessee
Frederick is that big body center the Packers need to establish their run game. I really wish the small timer, Quinton Patton (LTech), was available here but I see too much info on him going early. Two names above help both units out

4th round.
Dependent on the other choices in previous rounds, 4th round can be spent pretty much anywhere. You could ask for a defensive linemen at this point, but you are most likely getting a work-in-progress type player here. Going back to defensive tackle and adding MLB.
Sylvester Williams- DT from North Carolina
Jon Bostick- MLB from Florida
I believe that the MLB position is a position of need. At this time the Packers have AJ Hawk as their best option available to play. Desmond Bishop and D.J. Smith coming off major injuries are concerning. If Jon Bostick is available here, it would be a great choice and help with the MLB woes.

5th round.
If a safety is not selected yet. I'd like to see the Packers pursue one here and have a competition with the young guns already there. Also, if a specific name is available here, I wouldn't mind the Packers taking a chance, even though they might be set at said position.
Zeke Motta- S from Notre Dame
Tyrann Mathieu- CB from *LSU
More options for the backfield. Motta can bring some competition to the Jennings/McMillian mix. Mathieu is a big time reach but the kid can play football. With our corners pretty much set, Williams play has declined since his injury and it was said that 2013 will be an open competition. Why not? Also brings on a special teams role (bye bye Jarrett Bush and take Cobb off returns). Also, Mathieu's play reminds me of a young Charles Woodson. Just sayin'

6th and 7th should be filled with work-in-progress linemen. It can be offense or defense.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:00:16 PM(UTC)
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:25:36 PM(UTC)
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I was not aware one could highlight text on this software. Interesting.


BWAAAAAAAH.

I have seen it but never felt the need.




Until now. it is a cool tool.. I may do that instead of bolding when I want to speak about other posts.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:05:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
BPA, weighted towards OLB, DL and C.

He grabs a really good WR in round 2 or 3.


yerko,
I do not know enough about college kids. I have know idea about how they will fit until the Mike McCarthy system.

I have to rely solely on the old BPA phrase. It has worked out pretty well over the years. I recall fans being upset or at least questioning Uncle Teddy for picking up Greg. smaller college. Other WR were avail. Other needs to fill. All in all he had a decent career in GB. Same thing when he grabbed Jordy. I am not sorry he went that route. Especially if Greg walks.

That said I would like to see help on the DL first.

Sharrif Floyd*, DT, Florida
Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
Jonathan Jenkins, DT, Georgia at 359 stick him in the middle of the line with Pick and Raji on the edges and no one gets yards up the middle. (I think he would be our new "gravedigger".)
Margus Hunt, DE, SMU I am concerned he is too tall and the OT can get underneath him. He is pretty light at 6-8 and 277. But that means he has room to add a couple of biscuits.

There are a couple of C or RB or WR I wouldn't mind grabbing in the 2nd.

Barrett Jones, C/G/T, Alabama It would be sweet if Jones fell all the way to GB in the second. That ain't going to happen.
Joseph Randle*, RB, Oklahoma State good at picking up the blitz. Crucial to keep Aaron Rodgers on his feet. Decent power/speed. RB is not a big issue for me. They do have others. I think they would perform better if the OL did a better job. So if they don't get a RB in the 2-3 I won't be crushed.
Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford He can run and make the catch out of the backfield.
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Nationally, Taylor is a sleeper prospect who could be a draft-day steal.

WR For Nerman

Robert Woods*, WR, USC
Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State

If they have not picked a C yet then look at

David Quessenberry, C/G, San Jose State
Brian Schwenke, C, California
Dalton Freeman, C, Clemson

If they have a C then look at OLB

Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford
Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State due to a broken foot he may drop.
Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International A small school flyer who bears keeping an eye on. He can hit and stop the run. I LOVE THAT!

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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:43:04 PM(UTC)
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1st rnd
Johnathan Hankins, DT, JR(RS), 6'3, 322 -
Big John Hankins has commanded respect and double teams all season long from every team the Buckeyes have faced and yet he has still produced, recording 55 tackles, 4 for loss and one sack. Hankins is used mostly to clog up the middle of the field and would be a valuable piece for any team running a 3-4 scheme.

Comparison: B.J. Raji, Green Bay Packers.


3rd rnd
John Simon, DE, 6'2, 263
Simon is a beast in the weight room, brings leadership, and has a motor that just doesn't quit.
His physical talents are not eye-popping, and his measurables probably won't be worthy of a typical high-round defensive end unless he runs a super 40 (which isn't likely).
Critics will complain about his lack of elite athleticism, but he can be an unstoppable force at times. He finished with 44 total tackles and an insane 14.5 tackles for loss with a team-leading 9 sacks despite playing through injuries much of the year.
The most important aspect of his game is that he gets the most out of his talent, and NFL scouts do like that.
Comparison: Aaron Kampman without the injuries.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:22:05 PM(UTC)
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walter's overall review of the depth at each position. in depth analysis in each link.

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Position Review: Quarterbacks

Quarterback Class
Early-round talent: D
Mid-round: C
Late-round: C
Overall grade: D

Position Review: Running Backs

Running Back Class
Early-round talent: C
Mid-round: A
Late-round: B
Overall grade: B+

Position Review: Offensive Tackles

Offensive Tackle Class
Early-round talent: A-
Mid-round: B+
Late-round: B-
Overall grade: B+

Position Review: Centers

Center Class
Early-round talent: B
Mid-round: C+
Late-round: D+
Overall grade: B-

Position Review: Defensive Ends

Defensive End Class
Early-round talent: A
Mid-round: B
Late-round: B
Overall grade: B+

Position Review: Defensive Tackles

Defensive Tackle Class
Early-round talent: A+
Mid-round: B+
Late-round: B-
Overall grade: A

Position Review: Outside Linebackers

Center Class
Early-round talent: B
Mid-round: B
Late-round: C
Overall grade: B

Position Review: Cornerbacks

Cornerback Class
Early-round talent: B
Mid-round: C+
Late-round: D
Overall grade: C+


not all positions have been reviewed and written.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:06:04 PM(UTC)
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Draft someone from the University of Michigan.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:42:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
1st round.

Jesse Williams- DT from Alabama
Jonathan Jenkins- DT from Georgia
Eddie Lacy- RB from Alabama

2nd round.

Matt Elam- S from Florida
Barrett Jones- C/G/OT from Alabama
Tyler Eifert- TE from Notre Dame


3rd round.

Travis Frederick- C from Wisconsin
Le'Veon Bell- RB from Michigan State
Justin Hunter- WR from Tennessee

4th round.

Sylvester Williams- DT from North Carolina
Jon Bostick- MLB from Florida

5th round.

Zeke Motta- S from Notre Dame
Tyrann Mathieu- CB from *LSU

6th and 7th should be filled with work-in-progress linemen. It can be offense or defense.



1st round
I like the Jenkins pick. I'd be a big fan of going after a guy like Jenkins. I think he might be the fit at NT that we all hoped Raji would be. It'd allow us to plug Jenkins in at nose and have Raji play DE, since Pickett isn't getting any younger. It'll allow us to rotate our D-linemen a bit more, as well. Always a big plus when going with 330+ guys.

Not so sure about Jesse Williams. He's not really fit to play NT and can't generate a whole lot of pass rush. Wouldn't be the end of the world, but I don't like to see that from my 1st rounder. Especially since we have a roster full of guys who seem to be able to hold their ground to a certain extent, but can't move anyone.

Lacy would be a good pick from a completely objective standpoint, but I'm not a fan of 1st round RBs, except for the real elite ones who have a chance to go 1-5th overall. There's not a whole lot of drop-off in talent from a guy like Lacy to someone like Randall. I'd rather pick up Randall or Ball later on and just look somewhere else right now.

At WR Keenan Allen for instance, if he'd drop that far. He'll have the chance to be that real nr. 1 receiver. Someone who draws double coverage and opens up things for our three other, nr. 2 caliber WRs. Allen would have to drop a bit for that to happen, though. Wouldn't mind a guy like WR Cordarrelle Patterson, either.

2nd round
I'd absolutely love all of your picks in the 2nd round... But that's mostly because, for all of those guys, we'd have to trade back into the late first or early second.

Tyler Eifert would especially be good, because that'd mean that Finley would be gone. Love Eifert's size and the way he uses his body. Doesn't have that Hernandez-like speed at TE, but he does get open. Or just gets the ball when he's not.

Matt Elam, also, would be a great pick, although I do think that it'd already put a stop to McMillian's career as a starter before it has really started. Don't get me wrong, Elam would be an upgrade from the get-go and put a playmaker back at safety that we haven't had since Collins went down, but I'm not sure how our FO sees this one.

Lastly, Barrett Jones. Intelligent, strong, dominating usually, but also having a few bad days. I know, everyone has those, but if I'm going to get an offensive lineman, I'd like to get a guy who brings continuity. Not someone who will shut down Wilfork one week and give up 3 sacks to Melton the next. I think he can be coached up and when he's on, he's on. If he had nothing but good games, he'd have all the tools to go top 20. If he somehow falls to our second pick, our card with his name on it should be in in about 2 seconds. In the first round, I'd take a long, hard look at him, but he's not the no-brainer pick everyone seems to make him out to be.

Anyway, I'd love to continue, because you've put a lot of work into that mock list and I love talking about the draft, but it's 2:40 am over here, so I better get some sleep. I'll take a look at the rest later on!
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#11 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 1:48:37 PM(UTC)
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I heard Maylock say yesterday that this is the deepest draft in 10 years. He did not think there is the elite top 10 you usually see and that the playoff teams will reap nearly the quality players as those that go early.

Based on the grades I see from Walter above they pretty much agree on a quality draft at most positions.

I see Ted Thompson licking his chops this april.
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#12 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 2:13:33 PM(UTC)
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walter has added some positions

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Position Review: Wide Receiver

Wide Receiver Class
Early-round talent: B-
Mid-round: A-
Late-round: C+
Overall grade: B

Position Review: Guard
Guard Class
Early-round talent: A
Mid-round: B+
Late-round: C+
Overall grade: A-

Position Review: Inside Linebacker

Inside Linebacker Class
Early-round talent: A
Mid-round: D
Late-round: D-
Overall grade: C-


so let's see- TE and S still to go. Maybe P and K too. I suppose they can do FB as well.
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#13 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 2:23:11 PM(UTC)
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Every year, I think we get really involved in the free agency...only to be *let down* by Ted Thompson's lack of hitting the market.


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#14 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 4:15:09 PM(UTC)
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My first round my favorites are...
Ziggy Ansah, DE, BYU - he's tall and has ridiculously long arms (think Jason Pierre-Paul). He's raw, but he would be an ideal 5-tech. In the Capers/Lebeau scheme, you want two beefy guys and a leaner, lengthy guy (like the Steelers have in Brett Keisel, who is only 285). Ansah played some snaps at NT at BYU despite being 280 ish. When I first started pimping Ansah, he was viewed as a third-round-ish guy. He has been steadily rising (despite being quite raw), and now, after a strong Senior Bowl performance, is viewed as a mid-first. We would likely need to move up to get him.

My real favorite - and might actually be there at #26 - is Jonathan Cooper, OG, from UNC. He's a beast, fast, nimble and a nasty attitude. I think his upside as a Center is unreal. I may be the only one who thinks this way, but in our system, I see a perennial Pro Bowler and possibly HoF. I know it's very early in the process, but I'm that high on him. Cooper was at #59 on NFL Draft Scout's rankings when I took an interest. He climbed up to the mid-teens. Then as the underclassmen declared, his projection came back to within what may be our range.


The third guy on my first round list is Eric Reid, FS, LSU. He has slipped some on the online mock boards. If their speculation is correct, we could fall back into the early second and still grab him. He would be a nice one-high type safety that we have missed since Nick Collins went down.

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#15 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 5:18:01 PM(UTC)
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1st round.
I have been convinced by the greats of this board that this pick MUST BE a defensive lineman. Will I be mad if its not? No. With that said, a 3rd name will be added for my enjoyment of watching others squirm.
Three names make sense to me here.
Jesse Williams- DT from Alabama
Jonathan Jenkins- DT from Georgia
Eddie Lacy- RB from Alabama
With news of Worthy not being ready for the 2013 season and Pickett on the back 9 of his career, a defensive lineman just makes more and more sense. These are both bigger bodies than some of the DTs in this draft. Eddie Lacy will be a valuable choice and his "shelf life" is nothing to be concerned about. Of course, if Lacy is picked...this ruins the rest of my choices.

2nd round.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Packers going one of three routes here (all 3 names would most likely have to be a trade-up). The small emergence of EDS at center might allow the Packers to go elsewhere with this pick, hopefully safety. If they don't think EDS can carry the load at center, they push for one this round. The recent news of Finley's chances of not being a Packer next season opens up tight end. Do not rely on what the Packers have now. That spells trouble.
Three names...
Matt Elam- S from Florida
Barrett Jones- C/G/OT from Alabama
Tyler Eifert- TE from Notre Dame
These names may not even be on the board by the time the Packers are making a choice at #52. Makes this interesting. Do the Packers move up to grab one of these names? If not, more options later on...imo.


3rd round.
If a center is not chosen in the 2nd, I'd think center is an option here and might have to be a trade-up to get the name mentioned. Other two routes, runningback and wide receiver. Both units could use an extra body. Runningbacks can't stay healthy and receivers are losing Greg Jennings.
Travis Frederick- C from Wisconsin
Le'Veon Bell- RB from Michigan State
Justin Hunter- WR from Tennessee
Frederick is that big body center the Packers need to establish their run game. I really wish the small timer, Quinton Patton (LTech), was available here but I see too much info on him going early. Two names above help both units out

4th round.
Dependent on the other choices in previous rounds, 4th round can be spent pretty much anywhere. You could ask for a defensive linemen at this point, but you are most likely getting a work-in-progress type player here. Going back to defensive tackle and adding MLB.
Sylvester Williams- DT from North Carolina
Jon Bostick- MLB from Florida
I believe that the MLB position is a position of need. At this time the Packers have AJ Hawk as their best option available to play. Desmond Bishop and D.J. Smith coming off major injuries are concerning. If Jon Bostick is available here, it would be a great choice and help with the MLB woes.

5th round.
If a safety is not selected yet. I'd like to see the Packers pursue one here and have a competition with the young guns already there. Also, if a specific name is available here, I wouldn't mind the Packers taking a chance, even though they might be set at said position.
Zeke Motta- S from Notre Dame
Tyrann Mathieu- CB from *LSU
More options for the backfield. Motta can bring some competition to the Jennings/McMillian mix. Mathieu is a big time reach but the kid can play football. With our corners pretty much set, Williams play has declined since his injury and it was said that 2013 will be an open competition. Why not? Also brings on a special teams role (bye bye Jarrett Bush and take Cobb off returns). Also, Mathieu's play reminds me of a young Charles Woodson. Just sayin'

6th and 7th should be filled with work-in-progress linemen. It can be offense or defense.


Good work here. Lots of study done. Some comments
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Jesse Williams would be a reach in round 1
Lacy isn't that stud 1st Round RB difference maker

Here's how you might get a Jonathan Jenkins and any of the three 2nd round picks you have named.

Trade #26 for a low 2nd ( say 35,36,37) and a low 3rd. Trade the original late 2nd (55) and the early 3rd (for giving up #26) for another early 2nd and presto, you get Elam, Jones, or Eifert if one is still on the board.

The fall back position in the event the second trade didn't happen would not be bad. Your sitting on #55,with early and later (88) third rounders with Jenkins or Jones in your pocket.

In a deep draft I take it.











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