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Offline Zero2Cool  
#61 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:43:10 PM(UTC)
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I just read that Robert Griffin III isn't a pass first QB, yet he has the best completion percentage out of all those mentioned and was fourth in such category in the NFL.

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#62 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:15:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
Blue Leopard, great post. My sentiments exactly. The old way is not exactly the best way.
As for the other post argument that this will be stopped next year. Really? How?

The wildcat was stopped in the season it was implemented. The reason it was stopped was because it was a FLAWED strategy. Put the running back in the QB role and run from there. There's no real threat of pass. It's just a wrinkle in the run game. Ronnie Brown(a running back) or Tebow.

Tebow is not a dynamic runner, and was a halfback running in the QB position. He was a flea flicking QB at best and even though his package was run well in Denver, it made the team one dimensional.

At this point, the Packers are ALSO one dimensional because the only top flight part of the offense is Aaron's passing ability. The run game is not up to par, and Aaron is a good but not ELITE runner at the QB position. The packers need a dynamic running back to complement Aaron at this point to make the offense be multi-dimensional. Aaron's not going to get any faster.

There's no glaring flaw in the READ OPTION play as with the wildcat, if you have the 3 factors: A good passing game, a good running game, and a dynamic running QB.

It is so hard to defend the READ OPTION(not wildcat)part of an offense with a pass first QB with Dynamic running ability because the threat of a good running game, a good passing game, and a super fast QB is too much for a defense to account for. You can't cover ALL of it.
You have to give up something. The packers had to bank on Kaepernick beating them, and he did. They weren't going to lose by passing, or by Frank Gore's running.

This is not something that the NFL defenses will easily solve. This is also not something that will go away because the QBs will injure themselves by being too careless(like RG3).

Russell Wilson, Kaepernick KNOW HOW TO RUN and KNOW HOW TO AVOID CONTACT. They are going to surive and be around.

This is not a fad, or a one hit wonder. This style of quarterback is the evolution of football.
Terry Bradshaw on FOX said it, Tom Jackson on ESPN said it, and many NFL writers said it.

We are witnessing a new style and it's exciting.
Change is not that easy for everyone, I guess...


I said Tebow build as in he could hold up in that offense because he's such a big guy. As for the Wildcat, whenever it was stopped it was stopped. Idk when, but it didn't last long. I believe that this new offense will be stopped or at least slowed down following this season. Defensive coaches will watch the film on all those formentioned QB's and will adjust to it. I agree it's harder to stop than the wildcat of course. But I could see it being similar to the wildcat not lasting as long in the NFL as much as people think. That's all I'm saying.
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#63 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:19:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I just read that Robert Griffin III isn't a pass first QB, yet he has the best completion percentage out of all those mentioned and was fourth in such category in the NFL.


I think he's both, like Arod. But his offense dictates he's just a running QB in the eyes of people. And it leads them to believe he's a running QB.
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#64 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:30:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I just read that Robert Griffin III isn't a pass first QB, yet he has the best completion percentage out of all those mentioned and was fourth in such category in the NFL.


Even if I correct myself, which I will, and say he's pass-first, because he definitely is -- it only fuels the argument that the run-option is pretty much unstoppable at this point in time.
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#65 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:58:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: blueleopard Go to Quoted Post
Even if I correct myself, which I will, and say he's pass-first, because he definitely is -- it only fuels the argument that the run-option is pretty much unstoppable at this point in time.


It very well may be, at this point in time. I think the argument is that defenses will catch up, as they always have to everything in the past. And at this point, all I see is three pure pocket passers and one mobile QB on a team that is loaded in every other way also in the championship games. I'm not sure how much can be said about the current situation other than that having a great pocket passer is key and that the 49'ers are a very good team, from top to bottom. Or most importantly, I would say, a great defense.

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#66 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 10:29:53 AM(UTC)
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Capers will probably get one more year. Injuries aren't an excuse, but no Nick Perry, DJ Smith, or Desmond Bishop the second half of the season didn't exactly help the front seven this year. The overall defense improved quite a bit this year from a year ago which is why Capers gets one more year imo. I think it's clear this defense needs that inside rush or Cullen Jenkins type player. We're seen spurts of it from CJ Wilson, Jerel Worthy, and even Mike Neal this year, but it wasn't consistent enough imo.

I love Woodson and he still has a place on the defense imo, but he'll need to restructure his contract in the off-season to be more cap friendly if he plans to stay. He's been banged up a lot the past few years and missed a significant chunk of the season. Too much so to have that happen again with a guy and such a high cap number. I wouldn't mind cutting or trading AJ Hawk because as "steady" as he's been, the money could be better spent on extensions for Raji and Matthews and giving the reigns to DJ Smith and Desmond Bishop at ILB.

The secondary for the most part has some decent depth and the playing time a lot of the younger guys got was invaluable imo. With a consistent pass rush, this secondary can be as good as it was during the Super Bowl run imo.
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#67 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 10:45:43 AM(UTC)
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We have been reloading every year. We have been the youngest or one of the youngest almost every year. It is impossible to bring guys in at every position. We reloaded our secondary last offseason and it is paying off. They got valuable experience this year. We need to improve our Oline, and our front 7 on defense.

If we can improve either the Front 7 on defense or the Oline nearly as much as we improved the Secondary last offseason. We will be in good shape.
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#68 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:11:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
We have been reloading every year. We have been the youngest or one of the youngest almost every year. It is impossible to bring guys in at every position. We reloaded our secondary last offseason and it is paying off. They got valuable experience this year. We need to improve our Oline, and our front 7 on defense.

If we can improve either the Front 7 on defense or the Oline nearly as much as we improved the Secondary last offseason. We will be in good shape.


The problem with restocking the pond is the position from which we pick every year. San Francisco and Seattle repeatedly picked in the top 10 of each round for nearly a decade to build what they currently have, while we remained competitive and picked in the twenties. There is going to be a difference in blue chip talent on your teams. With the exception of Raji and Hawk, the rest of our team consists of Green Bay draft picks above 20. Is the answer to tank and reload, or remain as competitive as possible, while doing an exceptional job drafting from a disadvantage? Uncle Ted has hit on a lot of picks, but without the infusion of top level talent once in a while - the team suffers. The biggest need of this team is a power running back, to help us control the clock, so our defense is not worn down all the time, and a head coach that doesn't abandon the run when he gets behind. I thought he learned that lesson already.

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#69 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:12:29 AM(UTC)
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I agree we should tank a few seasons so we can be competitive with the niners and seattle.
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#70 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:14:20 AM(UTC)
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The Packers are seemingly reloading every year and that lack of maturation and growth within the system is part of the reason for communication failures.

Draft better, or coach'em up better. That is directed more towards the OL than anything. I think the Packers are fairly well coached in most positions.

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#71 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:26:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
The problem with restocking the pond is the position from which we pick every year. San Francisco and Seattle repeatedly picked in the top 10 of each round for nearly a decade to build what they currently have, while we remained competitive and picked in the twenties. There is going to be a difference in blue chip talent on your teams. With the exception of Raji and Hawk, the rest of our team consists of Green Bay draft picks below above 20. Is the answer to tank and reload, or remain as competitive as possible, while doing an exceptional job drafting from a disadvantage? Uncle Ted has hit on a lot of picks, but without the infusion of top level talent once in a while - the team suffers. The biggest need of this team is a power running back, to help us control the clock, so our defense is not worn down all the time, and a head coach that doesn't abandon the run when he gets behind. I thought he learned that lesson already.



I disagree with the biggest need being a power running back. I think our RB are fine. It is the run blocking that lacks. Later in the year, I have finally seen a move away from the outside stretch zone blocking, and it improved our run game. Improve the Oline, and concentrate more on running between the tackles. No more finese, let the Oline get mean.

If we tank for a season or two in order to get a couple "blue chippers", what are we going to lose in the process? Players dont' like playing for losing teams. with this team and the needs, I would be much happier trading up to get one. We have depth and for a year, can afford not to draft 7 or 8 guys and come out with 3,4 or 5 better quality guys.
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#72 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:26:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
I agree we should tank a few seasons so we can be competitive with the niners and seattle.


You agree with whom? I asked a question if tanking was the way to go. I don't think you tank with the caliber of quarterback we have in his prime. My point it is extremely difficult to keep the talent level on the field drafting so low in each round.
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#73 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:33:14 AM(UTC)
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fuck it lets tank
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#74 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:34:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
fuck it lets tank


Yeah but what if you draft another Hawk, or worse Jamal Reynolds or Tony Mandarich?
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#75 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:36:02 AM(UTC)
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what if we draft alex smith?
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