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Zero2Cool
2021-07-28T20:05:08Z
Sports Illustrated wrote:

From treatment of former players, to free-agent recruiting to lack of commitment beyond the upcoming season, Aaron Rodgers laid out what went wrong with his relationship with the Packers.

Aaron Rodgers response

“I think there was a lot of things that transpired. This wasn’t just a draft-day thing. It started with a conversation in February, after the season ended. I just expressed my desire to be more involved in conversations directly affecting my job. Also, I wanted to help the organization maybe learn from some of the mistakes in the past, in my opinion, about the way some of the outgoing veterans were treated, and just the fact that we didn’t retain a number of players that I felt like were core players to our foundation, our locker room, high-character guys. I’m talking about Charles Woodson, Jordy Nelson, Julius Peppers, Clay Matthews, Randall Cobb, James Jones, John Kuhn, Brett Goode, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Casey Hayward, Micah Hyde, guys who were exceptional players for us but great locker-room guys, high-character guys, many of them whom weren’t offered a contract at all or were extremely low-balled or were in my opinion not given the respect on the way out that guys of their status and stature and high character deserved.

It kind of progressed from there into a commitment for the 2021 season and beyond. That really wasn’t given at any time. So, for me, I had to assess the situation, not necessarily wanting to be a lame-duck quarterback, especially after an MVP season, which I think you can understand. And then the other part, in February, was wanting to be a part of conversations involving free agents, which has never happened in my career. I’ve trained with a number of NFL guys most of my career in the offseasons. My agency, Athletes First, has sent a number of high draft picks over the years. I’ve tried to pass along information. It hasn’t really been used, shall we say, so I wanted to offer my services as a recruiter.

I think we can all understand Green Bay isn’t a huge vacation destination. People are coming here to play with me, to play with our team, and knowing they can win a championship here. The fact I haven’t been used in those discussions is what I wanted to change moving forward. And I felt like based on my years, the way I can still play, that that should be a natural part of the conversation.

As that progressed from that point, nothing really changed on that front, so we got into March and the conversation changed, as I felt like if you can’t commit to me past 2021 and I’m not a part of a recruiting process in free agency, if I’m not a part of the future, then instead of letting me be a lame-duck quarterback, if you want to make a change and move forward, then go ahead and do it. That, obviously, didn’t happen. Like I said, it wasn’t a draft-day thing. There were conversations for a number of months leading up to that. Post the draft, I think what basically happened is they said, ‘We’ll give you some money now. Let’s see if we can throw some money at you.’ I said from the start it wasn’t about the money. Obviously, I didn’t show up for the offseason program or minicamp. To me, it was bigger than this. It was about trying to be a resource for the organization that I care about and love so much.

So, when the money came at me, the other part is, the back story to that is, after the season, there’s a part of me that did think there would be a conversation about an extension based on my cap number this season, next season. It seemed natural based on the way I played to at least have a conversation about it. There wasn’t a conversation, not until into May. And that to me seemed like an analogy you guys would understand. You guys have a fantastic year at work, you write some great stories, you go to your boss and say, ‘I just had an incredible year, I think I deserve a pay raise or some security’ and the boss says, ‘Ahh, let’s just see how it goes.’ A couple of months down the line, you get another job opportunity, you go back to your boss and say, ‘Hey, I’ve got this amazing job.’ And they say, ‘Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no, we love you. We do want you to stick around. We do care about you.’ It’s just not the same feeling, you know?

So, like I said, it wasn’t about the money. The way that felt kind of just double down on that. Nothing really changed throughout the summer. There were obviously some developments in the last week or so, but I was really working on myself and my own mental state throughout the summer, and at various points decided if I wanted to even keep playing. But the fire still burns and I wanted to be on the football team. We’ve got some things figured out in the last few days and I’m here."

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Cheesey
2021-07-28T20:22:49Z
He could have said these things months ago.
Instead he let the media train go off the tracks, leaving Packer fans twisting in the wind, not knowing what was going on.
I know he didn’t “owe” it to us.....although, we backed him for all these years, didn’t we (as Davante Adams said) “earn” that with our loyalty?
I’m just saying It just would have been nice.
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nerdmann
2021-07-28T20:31:24Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

He could have said these things months ago.
Instead he let the media train go off the tracks, leaving Packer fans twisting in the wind, not knowing what was going on.
I know he didn’t “owe” it to us.....although, we backed him for all these years, didn’t we (as Davante Adams said) “earn” that with our loyalty?
I’m just saying It just would have been nice.



He GOT the media going. An hour before the draft? Come on man. Aaron's always been a mental case. This isn't anything the team did wrong, other than not giving Aaron control.

If they really trade for Cobb, they will have given Aaron control. What precedent does thst set? If you have an issue with the team, have a giant tantrum, get your way.
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2021-07-28T20:53:46Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

He could have said these things months ago.
Instead he let the media train go off the tracks, leaving Packer fans twisting in the wind, not knowing what was going on.
I know he didn’t “owe” it to us.....although, we backed him for all these years, didn’t we (as Davante Adams said) “earn” that with our loyalty?
I’m just saying It just would have been nice.



Ever play high stakes poker? It's best not to tip your hand. If someone goes off the deep end because of false rumors it's not his fault. There was a leak somewhere. Aaron said it wasn't him but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come from inside his support group. I have a hard time understand how the leaks would have benefited GB, Inc unless someone was trying to make Aaron look bad. But that would not endure him to the FO and make him want to come back.
I'm not trying to pick on your specifically Cheesemeister. Just making a general comment and you had the last post. In general I have had a hard time believing anything that was said the whole off season. There are so many media jerks that look only for the clicks.
Is there has been discontent and dissatisfaction on Aaron's part of the front office for a while now but it only made the news this off season. Kinda of interesting. He more or less got over the Love selection after downing a half bottle of whiskey or tequila or whatever he drank. All signs pointed to him coming back to GB to play at least one more season. He was never going to retire. He was never going to give up that much money. As he said he still has a passion to play the game. He was never going to be traded. He hates the OTAs and mini camps. Most vets do. That's why teams put bonus money into the contracts to get them to show up.
Time to turn the page.
The 2021 season is here! And we have Aaron Freakn Rodgers as our QB!! 17-0 baby!!!
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2021-07-28T21:24:52Z
This is absolutely beautiful baby. It's gets 2 thumbs up and 5 stars on my review rating.

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Cheesey
2021-07-28T21:32:46Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

Ever play high stakes poker? It's best not to tip your hand. If someone goes off the deep end because of false rumors it's not his fault. There was a leak somewhere. Aaron said it wasn't him but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come from inside his support group. I have a hard time understand how the leaks would have benefited GB, Inc unless someone was trying to make Aaron look bad. But that would not endure him to the FO and make him want to come back.
I'm not trying to pick on your specifically Cheesemeister. Just making a general comment and you had the last post. In general I have had a hard time believing anything that was said the whole off season. There are so many media jerks that look only for the clicks.
Is there has been discontent and dissatisfaction on Aaron's part of the front office for a while now but it only made the news this off season. Kinda of interesting. He more or less got over the Love selection after downing a half bottle of whiskey or tequila or whatever he drank. All signs pointed to him coming back to GB to play at least one more season. He was never going to retire. He was never going to give up that much money. As he said he still has a passion to play the game. He was never going to be traded. He hates the OTAs and mini camps. Most vets do. That's why teams put bonus money into the contracts to get them to show up.
Time to turn the page.
The 2021 season is here! And we have Aaron Freakn Rodgers as our QB!! 17-0 baby!!!


He drinks scotch.😉

I know the media dorks all wanted to be the one that got it right. Turns out, none of them did!
One thing I don’t get....did Rodgers ever bother to take his list of grievances to the FO before this? Or did he just suck it up and do HIS job?
Why all of the sudden does he get a bug up his butt?
Or did he complain before and be ignored? Why now?
I’m just trying to understand.
I know I’ll never know the real truths of it all.
It was just a frustrating off season.
Glad the drama (soap opera) is over.......for now, at least.
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2021-07-28T21:50:53Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

He drinks scotch.😉

I know the media dorks all wanted to be the one that got it right. Turns out, none of them did!
One thing I don’t get....did Rodgers ever bother to take his list of grievances to the FO before this? Or did he just suck it up and do HIS job?
Why all of the sudden does he get a bug up his butt?
Or did he complain before and be ignored? Why now?
I’m just trying to understand.
I know I’ll never know the real truths of it all.
It was just a frustrating off season.
Glad the drama (soap opera) is over.......for now, at least.



Without an authorized biography (It ain't happening) we will never truly know the details. Like it or not, the fake news summer of 21 kept us engaged during the dead time between the draft and the opening of training camp. Unless you want to waste your time on the insignificance of Bucks and Brewers but who cares about that? BTW- I took my daughter to the Brewers-Sox game last Friday. It was close until the Sox pitching fell apart. She was a little disappointed. It didn't matter to me. I am pretty sure I've seen a grand slam in person before but I can't remember when or where. Hopefully now I will remember this one because of being there with my little girl. It was kind of funny to watch half the crowd stand up and walk to the exit almost before the ball landed in the seats. I was really surprised that the first place Brewers didn't have more fans in the stands than they did. It seemed like it was 60-40 Sox or more. There was still 20-30% of the seats available.
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Zero2Cool
2021-07-29T01:55:20Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

He could have said these things months ago.
Instead he let the media train go off the tracks, leaving Packer fans twisting in the wind, not knowing what was going on.
I know he didn’t “owe” it to us.....although, we backed him for all these years, didn’t we (as Davante Adams said) “earn” that with our loyalty?
I’m just saying It just would have been nice.



He could have and he didn't and that was the right decision. Not because I've said it from the start, but because he explained how he didn't want to get into a pissing match with the organization, which he is right. I do not understand how or why this is difficult to see. The Packers messed up by leaking information. Something I also pointed out that most folks glossed over. 🤦‍♂️ 😁
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Cheesey
2021-07-29T02:15:34Z
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

He could have and he didn't and that was the right decision. Not because I've said it from the start, but because he explained how he didn't want to get into a pissing match with the organization, which he is right. I do not understand how or why this is difficult to see. The Packers messed up by leaking information. Something I also pointed out that most folks glossed over. 🤦‍♂️ 😁


So....it was the Packers that leaked it? I didn’t see where there was proof of that.
Now Rodgers said he didn’t want to get in a pissing match.
Maybe his “camp” leaked it.
I don’t know who to believe with this.
Taking Rodgers word for it. I don’t know.....how can you tell who to believe? There’s probably truth on both sides.
We never will know for sure.


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warhawk
2021-07-29T17:48:47Z
I was surprised by the number of issues that Rodgers brought up to the FO who just basically responded with "whatever". I'm not saying the Packer brass needed to buckle on these issues but but to just dismiss them when your talking about a 16 year vet and probably top three most important Packer in history isn't very smart either.

What really made me shake my head is when Gute and Murphy realized they were in trouble they ran out to the west coast and offered Rodgers more money. What? If I'm Rodgers I'm realizing these guys aren't listening to a thing I'm talking about.
Again, I'm not saying I agree that Rodgers should be given the additional role as Assistant GM, however, I do believe he has earned to be given a platform where his voice is heard. I guess what I'm saying is this whole drawn out soap opera could have easily been avoided. After all how hard would it be to listen to the guy and he made it clear anything he had to say fell on deaf ears.

I certainly cannot give the FO very good grades on this one, however, if I'm Rodgers I wouldn't lead with a demand for Cobb either. I understand the boys were going to have to eat this first one but if I'm Aaron I use that freebee better than that. Just makes this whole ordeal that much more bizarre.
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dfosterf
2021-07-29T18:10:05Z
We have no cap room. Next year is worse, nor better. I don't know what more this front office could possibly do. I get the whole Festivus holiday we had yesterday, but this is a last hurrah for us as far as assembly of a great team on paper.
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beast
2021-07-29T18:17:24Z
Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

We have no cap room. Next year is worse, nor better. I don't know what more this front office could possibly do. I get the whole Festivus holiday we had yesterday, but this is a last hurrah for us as far as assembly of a great team on paper.



Yes, but in theory signing a new deal with a good sized signing bonus doesn't put much on year 1 of the cap, so really the media has fans trained wrong when only looking at one years cap, instead of muliple years when talking about signing players to multiple years.

But yes, were probably going to have to drop Preston Smith and let Kevin King leave, as well as some of the WRs like Adams or MVS, St. Brown and Funchess.

Or trading Rodgers might open up enough to keep them. But as long as they have a third year on Rodgers contract (which Gute said they still currently do, while suggesting that could change), then I think they're keep Rodgers two years.





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dfosterf
2021-07-29T18:32:19Z
Originally Posted by: beast 

Yes, but in theory signing a new deal with a good sized signing bonus doesn't put much on year 1 of the cap, so really the media has fans trained wrong when only looking at one years cap, instead of muliple years when talking about signing players to multiple years.

But yes, were probably going to have to drop Preston Smith and let Kevin King leave, as well as some of the WRs like Adams or MVS, St. Brown and Funchess.

Or trading Rodgers might open up enough to keep them. But as long as they have a third year on Rodgers contract (which Gute said they still currently do, while suggesting that could change), then I think they're keep Rodgers two years.






I honestly do not see how.


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Cheesey
2021-07-29T18:33:43Z
This whole mess was avoidable. Yes, the FO should have at least listened to what Rodgers had to say.
Of course, who knows? Maybe they did, and just did what THEY thought best.
And again, you only have 53 roster spots, and a salary cap to deal with. Rodgers eats up a large part of the cap. So...:he deserves part of the blame as far as the reason why some of the other higher paid players were let go.
Like with Jordy, he was coming off a very serious knee injury, and getting up in age. So it’s not just money, but roster spots.
And as far as last season, Rodgers earned some of the blame for not getting it done in the NFC title game. He had several chances to get it done, and failed.
JMO of course.
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dfosterf
2021-07-29T19:43:55Z
Let's all move forward and enjoy what we have. We got screwed as fans this off season in so many ways, but we also got high light films up the ass, much to the chagrin of so many other fan bases, so at least we got that.

Anything to further piss off the Vikings fans is a personal net plus for me,, same with the Bears, but to a lesser degree, for me
As to the Bronco fans....

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

ONE YEAR!


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beast
2021-07-29T20:18:23Z
Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

I honestly do not see how.



Signing bonus gets spread evenly over the first five years of a players contact.

So say if a players gets a 4 year, 50 million dollar deal (12.5 million per year) with 20 million signing bonus.

Actual Money payout being
Year 1: $20 million
Year 2: $5 million
Year 3: $10 million
Year 4: $15 million
Total: $50 million

But while the signing bonus is given in year 1, it's actually spread out, so the actual cap accounting would be.

Year 1: $5 million (1/4th of the signing bonus to each year)
Year 2: $10 million
Year 3: $15 million
Year 4: $20 million

So the cap hit is a lot less in a players first year. You can also simply guarantee it to a player, but place it in a further year. So it's 100% guaranteed, but they don't get it until year 3.

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dfosterf
2021-07-29T21:14:18Z
Thank you. I just fell off that damn turnip truck and lost my bearings. I was coming back from my visit to the over the cap website headquarters that ridiculously put the green bay packers as completely fucked relative to the rest of the nfl as regards cap room next year, excepting one other also fucked team. I shall ignore the fact that we already reworked virtually everyone's contract to get under the cap this year, so I can feel good also, in my ignorance of the totality of our cap situation
Whew.
I was worried before. Screw that minus 43 million 425 thousand and pocket lint negative cap space they are ascribing to us in 2022.

Go look.
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Cheesey
2021-07-29T21:56:18Z
Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

Let's all move forward and enjoy what we have. We got screwed as fans this off season in so many ways, but we also got high light films up the ass, much to the chagrin of so many other fan bases, so at least we got that.

Anything to further piss off the Vikings fans is a personal net plus for me,, same with the Bears, but to a lesser degree, for me
As to the Bronco fans....

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

ONE YEAR!



😂 I LOVE your post!
All the Vikings and Bears fans who were celebrating our loss of Rodgers......😂😂😂😂

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!🤪
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dhazer
2021-07-31T00:47:00Z
To be all honest here I feel confident in Love at QB. We have the weapons around him even if Rodgers thinks they suck. We have the o-line we have the running game and we have receivers that can help him. But the biggest reason I have confidence is that Love will run the offense and not change the plays to what he wants. When Love takes over next year we will gain around $40 million in cap space and same with the following year which means you can take care of Jaire and others.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂
beast
2021-07-31T02:09:23Z
Love isn't ready, coaches already said as much, I think the kid had potential and thought the Patriots would draft him...

But I don't know why people blindly think he'll be a good starting QB just because he's a 1st round QB...

Bears just got done with their 4 years of a first round QB (and had many other 1st round QBs), and he was drafted way higher!

It's probably going to take Love a year of adjustments even starting. Look at Rodgers first year starting, we didn't make the playoffs. There will be a decline, at least at first.

And very very very few teams have had back to back hall of fame QBs, and I don't believe any team has 3 peated it, so the odds are extremely against it.
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