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Cheesey
2021-02-15T17:06:51Z
Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 

You... you do realize what your (and WPR's) pipe dream is actually runs contrary to free-market enterprise, right? In other words, you realize what you (both) propose doesn't align with the values of capitalism that have made America the land of opportunity and American citizenship desired by so many across the globe, right?

I had to do a double take to make sure "Comrade" wasn't in front of Cheesey.



Do you know that there are limits to what a lawyer can charge in a personal injury case? They are limited to charging one third of the settlement, and can’t charge if they lose the case.
Is that killing the lawyers?
Nope.
So there are limits in other professions, so why not people that are getting paid ridiculous money to play a game?
Football has been around for a hundred years, and survived up to now. And past players didn’t get millions of dollars to play.
I know there are millions of fans that would LOVE to see a game live, but the insane prices to do so make it impossible to afford.
And like I said, it’s just a pipe dream. I don’t expect it to actually happen.
I didn’t know that that would make me a communist. To wish that greed wouldn’t keep the average fan from enjoying seeing a football game live.

I think you took it to the extreme so you could make a dig at me.
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Zero2Cool
2021-02-15T18:37:48Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Do you know that there are limits to what a lawyer can charge in a personal injury case? They are limited to charging one third of the settlement, and can’t charge if they lose the case.
Is that killing the lawyers?
Nope.
So there are limits in other professions, so why not people that are getting paid ridiculous money to play a game?
Football has been around for a hundred years, and survived up to now. And past players didn’t get millions of dollars to play.
I know there are millions of fans that would LOVE to see a game live, but the insane prices to do so make it impossible to afford.
And like I said, it’s just a pipe dream. I don’t expect it to actually happen.
I didn’t know that that would make me a communist. To wish that greed wouldn’t keep the average fan from enjoying seeing a football game live.

I think you took it to the extreme so you could make a dig at me.



When people make a perceived "dig" at someone it is because they do not understand how to otherwise express themselves. I wouldn't worry about it.

I also don't think restricting the amount a player can earn helps anything at all. As I outlined in a previous post in hopes that you would focus on the topic at hand instead of the "dig" -- I mentioned several of the pros and cons. What's more important in your mind to discuss? What I outlined on this subject or responding to someone who doesn't otherwise know how to express themselves without taking shots at someone? 🤷‍♂️ The choice is yours.
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Cheesey
2021-02-15T20:04:28Z
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

When people make a perceived "dig" at someone it is because they do not understand how to otherwise express themselves. I wouldn't worry about it.

I also don't think restricting the amount a player can earn helps anything at all. As I outlined in a previous post in hopes that you would focus on the topic at hand instead of the "dig" -- I mentioned several of the pros and cons. What's more important in your mind to discuss? What I outlined on this subject or responding to someone who doesn't otherwise know how to express themselves without taking shots at someone? 🤷‍♂️ The choice is yours.



I don’t know.....I have seen times when you have got pissed off when someone makes a “dig” at you.
If someone isn’t adult enough, or allows their dislike of someone to call them terrible names, like calling them a communist, should it just be ignored? Making them THINK they are so smart and correct in what they say? I think they should be called out for it.

Ignoring bad behavior is just as bad as agreeing with it.

🤷‍♂️
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Zero2Cool
2021-02-15T20:16:35Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

I don’t know.....I have seen times when you have got pissed off when someone makes a “dig” at you.
If someone isn’t adult enough, or allows their dislike of someone to call them terrible names, like calling them a communist, should it just be ignored? Making them THINK they are so smart and correct in what they say? I think they should be called out for it.

Ignoring bad behavior is just as bad as agreeing with it.

🤷‍♂️



There is a book called the Holy Bible. Check out Matthew 5:39. 😋

Time is one thing none of us can recover or buy. We all should move on instead of worrying about calling someone out. My daughter does this every chance she gets. It makes me not want to talk to her. Who wants to be "called out" because their opinion is different? Why can't people just converse and accept others differences for just that? Why can't we talk the NFL Salary Cap for 2021 without people interpreting something ignorantly worded into a "dig" and then having to completely derail one of the few tangible topics to discuss until draft? It's frustrating that we cannot just stop feeding the asshole-ignorant-dumb-fuck-trolls.
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Cheesey
2021-02-16T02:16:08Z
The heck with it.
Tomorrow is my twelfth anniversary of my open heart surgery.
I’ve been having chest pain. But there’s no way I’m going through that again.
I’m tired.
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beast
2021-02-16T08:32:23Z
Actually the NFL is partly great because of their cap limits which gives teams a more equal playing field, unlike other sports, where it's often the same ole teams once again. Which yeah, happens in NFL, but to a lesser degree.

And the Players already have a maximum limit, it's called the salary cap.

And while players are over paid for playing a game, I say owners are especially overpaid for pretending they know a damn thing about football, especially the ones that control the draft and/or FAs.


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Zero2Cool
2021-02-16T12:45:52Z
Originally Posted by: beast 

Actually the NFL is partly great because of their cap limits which gives teams a more equal playing field, unlike other sports, where it's often the same ole teams once again. Which yeah, happens in NFL, but to a lesser degree.

And the Players already have a maximum limit, it's called the salary cap.

And while players are over paid for playing a game, I say owners are especially overpaid for pretending they know a damn thing about football, especially the ones that control the draft and/or FAs.


I think we all are in agreement the NFL Salary Cap for a Team is good. As for the Players having a maximum limit, they really don't because a dumb ass owner/general manager can skew one position with one really bonehead contract. That four year $72 million contract was used as leverage for other QB's. The players receive 48% the NFL revenue. I wonder if the CBA allows the owners to tilt that in favor of the players for 2021 to reduce the salary cap drop off? I think there are some long term issues that will creep up if a dozen teams have to whack a lot of really good players. Hell, maybe that creates more parity though? 🤷‍♂️

All I know -- glad I ain't gotta figure this crap out.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

The heck with it.
Tomorrow is my twelfth anniversary of my open heart surgery.
I’ve been having chest pain. But there’s no way I’m going through that again.
I’m tired.


Just know --- if you end up having to go through it again ... you are not alone.


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Cheesey
2021-02-16T19:35:47Z
all_about_da_packers
2021-02-17T06:44:51Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Do you know that there are limits to what a lawyer can charge in a personal injury case? They are limited to charging one third of the settlement, and can’t charge if they lose the case.
Is that killing the lawyers?
Nope.
So there are limits in other professions, so why not people that are getting paid ridiculous money to play a game?
Football has been around for a hundred years, and survived up to now. And past players didn’t get millions of dollars to play.
I know there are millions of fans that would LOVE to see a game live, but the insane prices to do so make it impossible to afford.
And like I said, it’s just a pipe dream. I don’t expect it to actually happen.
I didn’t know that that would make me a communist. To wish that greed wouldn’t keep the average fan from enjoying seeing a football game live.

I think you took it to the extreme so you could make a dig at me.



My intention wasn't to take a dig at you, but I did want to challenge a prominent idea that came across in your (and WPR's) post. I'll get to that in a sec; but point taken that I could've phrased the post better to challenge that idea more directly.

Regarding limits on lawyers - it's not something I've ever heard of before. A few clarifications may be needed, because what you talk about regarding an attorney's ability to charge:
1. Attorney's charge fix fee (or percentage) or hourly, but I'm sure you aren't explaining the limits on a lawyer's earning power correctly. For example, a settlement involves no winners or losers - it is a resolution that is founded on compromise. A lawyer can't be limited to not charging for a settlement if they lose because, by definition, there are no losers in settlements. Not to sound like I'm dragging you, because even I still get mixed up navigating the legal system - it is complex. My point is that I've heard of limits for PI lawyers on settlements, but that doesn't limit how such a lawyer can earn from their profession because a PI lawyer's earning/revenue streams can be so diverse (e.g., referral fees for client referrals, fee from being a mediator, being an arbitrator, and (most lucrative of all) fees from taking case to court and arguing in front of a judge). That's even before a PI lawyer that is part of a law firm gets to share in the profits of the law firm they are at (which routinely results in significant bonus payouts). A limit on settlements does not altogether limit how much a lawyer earns from their profession.

2. Lawyers are different than players. You wouldn't hire players to act for your benefit/best interest. You hire lawyers to do only such; lawyers are obligated under rules of their profession to put your interests first, and have a duty to advocate for your best interests (and place your interests above their own in the lawyer-client relationship context). To that end, it can be argued that limits on a lawyer's ability to charge for a particular service they offer you should not be seen as a limit on lawyer's earning ability. Rather, it (i.e., limit of charging 1/3 the settlement figure) is a mechanism to ensure a lawyer is acting within the moral and legal scope of his obligations to you as his/her client - namely, they are not benefiting improperly at your expense. I know for a fact that it is so, so easy for lawyers to bill in a way that you won't see it coming. I've seen cases in the personal injury context where, even before a conference begins between the parties, a lawyer has charged his/her client many thousand dollars before speaking or saying anything. In other words, limits of what lawyers are allowed to charge for settlements from their clients who, usually, are vulnerable (i.e., you usually get a lawyer at one of the toughest/lowest points in your life), not as savvy (i.e., clever in "masking" charges or reading legal bills), and to whom lawyers have legal (and moral) obligations of elevating their interest... I think it is entirely a different context than football players playing for the entertainment of others, to whom they owe no legal (or moral) obligations.

Which brings me back to the idea I wanted to challenge: I'm quite dumbfounded whenever I see people complain/wish football players made less. Why? These are very often football players who're from poor means (whether rural or urban), who've spent the bulk of their lives assuming risk of injury while training/playing for nothing in return until they get to the NFL. All the more power to them for cashing in every penny they can once they get to the NFL. I'm not sure what it is about people in society generally poo-pooing others getting a boatload of green paper after chasing it for so long.

I'm being serious about what I said regarding free markets; no other economic system in recorded history has produced wealth to the rate we're seeing today (which, to be clear, is not to say the system is flawed and can be tweaked to improve). You, I and NFL players only have our labor to sell in exchange for money - we can use it to make products, offer services or provide entertainment for consumption in exchange for making an earning. If an NFL player gets a multi-million dollar contract, all the more power to them; good on them for capitalizing in the way many people only ever dream of. Capping salaries is not going to reduce ticket prices (I note the money the NFL receives from selling its broadcast rights is enough to cover the vast, vast majority of player salaries without ticket/gate revenue).

I'm not sure why NFL players should be held to a standard (i.e., put a limit on how much they earn) when that is not something many of us would support in other scenarios (e.g., CEO salaries, teacher salaries, serving members in the military). I'm all for people chasing their dreams and cashing in (legally) to the most of their ability once they are in a position to do so. If it leads to 9-figure incomes - cool! All the more power to them, as they are receiving a return on their product/service/performance for entertainment that the market has deemed to be a fair exchange/return for what such players are offering. And it's neat seeing so many NFL players who grew up on farms, or lived such tough lives in poor neighborhoods strike it big, and become financial engines for their family, friends, and loved ones - and work to give them (and themselves) a comfortable life.
The NFL: Where Greg Jennings Happens.
Cheesey
2021-02-17T12:18:23Z
Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 

My intention wasn't to take a dig at you, but I did want to challenge a prominent idea that came across in your (and WPR's) post. I'll get to that in a sec; but point taken that I could've phrased the post better to challenge that idea more directly.

Regarding limits on lawyers - it's not something I've ever heard of before. A few clarifications may be needed, because what you talk about regarding an attorney's ability to charge:
1. Attorney's charge fix fee (or percentage) or hourly, but I'm sure you aren't explaining the limits on a lawyer's earning power correctly. For example, a settlement involves no winners or losers - it is a resolution that is founded on compromise. A lawyer can't be limited to not charging for a settlement if they lose because, by definition, there are no losers in settlements. Not to sound like I'm dragging you, because even I still get mixed up navigating the legal system - it is complex. My point is that I've heard of limits for PI lawyers on settlements, but that doesn't limit how such a lawyer can earn from their profession because a PI lawyer's earning/revenue streams can be so diverse (e.g., referral fees for client referrals, fee from being a mediator, being an arbitrator, and (most lucrative of all) fees from taking case to court and arguing in front of a judge). That's even before a PI lawyer that is part of a law firm gets to share in the profits of the law firm they are at (which routinely results in significant bonus payouts). A limit on settlements does not altogether limit how much a lawyer earns from their profession.

2. Lawyers are different than players. You wouldn't hire players to act for your benefit/best interest. You hire lawyers to do only such; lawyers are obligated under rules of their profession to put your interests first, and have a duty to advocate for your best interests (and place your interests above their own in the lawyer-client relationship context). To that end, it can be argued that limits on a lawyer's ability to charge for a particular service they offer you should not be seen as a limit on lawyer's earning ability. Rather, it (i.e., limit of charging 1/3 the settlement figure) is a mechanism to ensure a lawyer is acting within the moral and legal scope of his obligations to you as his/her client - namely, they are not benefiting improperly at your expense. I know for a fact that it is so, so easy for lawyers to bill in a way that you won't see it coming. I've seen cases in the personal injury context where, even before a conference begins between the parties, a lawyer has charged his/her client many thousand dollars before speaking or saying anything. In other words, limits of what lawyers are allowed to charge for settlements from their clients who, usually, are vulnerable (i.e., you usually get a lawyer at one of the toughest/lowest points in your life), not as savvy (i.e., clever in "masking" charges or reading legal bills), and to whom lawyers have legal (and moral) obligations of elevating their interest... I think it is entirely a different context than football players playing for the entertainment of others, to whom they owe no legal (or moral) obligations.

Which brings me back to the idea I wanted to challenge: I'm quite dumbfounded whenever I see people complain/wish football players made less. Why? These are very often football players who're from poor means (whether rural or urban), who've spent the bulk of their lives assuming risk of injury while training/playing for nothing in return until they get to the NFL. All the more power to them for cashing in every penny they can once they get to the NFL. I'm not sure what it is about people in society generally poo-pooing others getting a boatload of green paper after chasing it for so long.

I'm being serious about what I said regarding free markets; no other economic system in recorded history has produced wealth to the rate we're seeing today (which, to be clear, is not to say the system is flawed and can be tweaked to improve). You, I and NFL players only have our labor to sell in exchange for money - we can use it to make products, offer services or provide entertainment for consumption in exchange for making an earning. If an NFL player gets a multi-million dollar contract, all the more power to them; good on them for capitalizing in the way many people only ever dream of. Capping salaries is not going to reduce ticket prices (I note the money the NFL receives from selling its broadcast rights is enough to cover the vast, vast majority of player salaries without ticket/gate revenue).

I'm not sure why NFL players should be held to a standard (i.e., put a limit on how much they earn) when that is not something many of us would support in other scenarios (e.g., CEO salaries, teacher salaries, serving members in the military). I'm all for people chasing their dreams and cashing in (legally) to the most of their ability once they are in a position to do so. If it leads to 9-figure incomes - cool! All the more power to them, as they are receiving a return on their product/service/performance for entertainment that the market has deemed to be a fair exchange/return for what such players are offering. And it's neat seeing so many NFL players who grew up on farms, or lived such tough lives in poor neighborhoods strike it big, and become financial engines for their family, friends, and loved ones - and work to give them (and themselves) a comfortable life.



I get what you are saying.
I wish CEOs would be given salary limits too. Most of them make way too much money, while the real workers can’t get a decent wage. Who pays for it? Us.
As far as players taking chances on injuries, people like the police and front line health care workers put their lives and health on the line every day. Cops get killed all the time by criminals. Fire fighters actually put their lives on the line too. And they have to do their dangerous jobs for decades. How many football players get killed in the line of duty each year? Yet these workers don’t make in their entire careers what a player makes in a year.
And after a player retires, they can get “real” jobs if they want. Many have come from poor means, but are college graduates that, if they haven’t pissed away their earnings from football, are most likely set for life.
I’m not against the free market. And as I said, what I stated was just a “wish list”, not realistic. I just wish things could be more equal. There are real heroes out there that to me deserve more then what they get as compared to people playing a game.
I know it will never happen.
And it’s probably good it won’t happen. Maybe some day these athletes will price themselves out of existence if it’s not reined in. They might end up killing the “golden goose”.


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Zero2Cool
2021-02-17T13:56:26Z
I don't think the amount of money one earns is a problem at all. The more I think about this, the more I think we have a glorifying problem. Remember that deplorable show MTV Cribs? They go around showing off people's homes. This brought upon competition to have a better house, or houses. If players salaries were not made public, even to each other, would we be in this "must be highest paid" rampage? No. Sports are so different than the common business with this regard. Every job and every career path I've taken has had some requirement that your salary is not disclosed. When I worked for dish network I was told I couldn't receive a raise, although I more than anyone else earned it. The reason was I had already been earning a quarter more than the highest paid supervisor and I hit the ceiling. Mind you, working in a contact center being the customer service trainer and sales manager is nothing to brag about. It's basically the tallest midget. I showed up everyday, worked overtime and knew the systems in an out.

The point I'm getting at is salaries shouldn't be disclosed. I know it's probably impossible in sports because of the salary cap and how easily it would be owners for fook a player over. If they did go with a non disclosure of salary, I think it would be amazing for the NFL and equal the markets regardless of size. The caveat that I would request on the players behalf is that all players receive a decade pension for each year of NFL service up to life. Obviously, players like Tom Brady won't live for another 200 years, so the pension would go up to death. This way players are provided for and I think more people would try to get into the NFL.

I know it's just a pipe dream. The ripple effect would be incredible. A player getting $100,000 a year for pension would massively help the economy too. They could go back to school, finish their degree that the scholarship provided or even pay for it themselves.

Then again, I'm also someone who feels every single person should have go into the military for 1-2 years post High School.
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Cheesey
2021-02-18T01:24:25Z
“Glorifying problem”.....you hit the nail in the head with that one.
Why do people glorify teens that get on TV because they get pregnant? Or trashy people from “The Jersey Shores”?
Or housewives from various cities?
So called “reality shows” that are classless.
Sorry for going off on a tangent.....I couldn’t help myself!!!🤪
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Zero2Cool
2021-02-18T14:14:38Z
The NFL in a memo to teams has said the salary cap floor has been increased from $175 million to $180 million after talks with the NFLPA.

They are already bumping the worst-case scenario cash for the salary cap. This makes me believe the salary cap is going to be hovering around $200 million.

If the Owners want to look like "good guys", they could chip in a few percent of their revenue share towards the players and look like freaking heroes -- for two minutes.
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Cheesey
2021-02-18T14:30:14Z
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

The NFL in a memo to teams has said the salary cap floor has been increased from $175 million to $180 million after talks with the NFLPA.

They are already bumping the worst-case scenario cash for the salary cap. This makes me believe the salary cap is going to be hovering around $200 million.

If the Owners want to look like "good guys", they could chip in a few percent of their revenue share towards the players and look like freaking heroes -- for two minutes.


Does a “measly” 5 million dollars make that much difference?
Especially for teams that are already way over the cap?
We are about to lose some of our best players because of the cap drop.
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Zero2Cool
2021-02-18T15:02:42Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Does a “measly” 5 million dollars make that much difference?
Especially for teams that are already way over the cap?
We are about to lose some of our best players because of the cap drop.



We are not going to lose some of our best players because of the dip in salary cap. And yes, the $5 million is a huge difference. Players like Aaron Jones were going to be gone regardless. The Packers reportedly offered him a contract that was top five and he declined it. I really like Jones, but no RB is worth what he's going to get from like the Jaguars or something. How many RB's have we watched fail to achieve success with their new teams? A lot. Jones would be better served to sign a one year deal with attainable incentives and then cash in big on 2022 when that new TV money is more understood.

What players are you concerned with losing because of the salary cap drop? Aside from (I assume) Aaron Jones.
A good list can be found here. http://www.packershome.c...Green-Bay-Packers-Roster 

Allen Lazard (ERFA), Robert Tonyan (RFA), Raven Greene (RFA), Jamaal Williams I think will all be back in 2021. Corey Linsley being 30 years old is probably gonna just take the highest paid offer. Aaron Jones I think is going to be gone, but Williams is a year younger and will be cheaper anyway.
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Cheesey
2021-02-19T18:02:09Z
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

We are not going to lose some of our best players because of the dip in salary cap. And yes, the $5 million is a huge difference. Players like Aaron Jones were going to be gone regardless. The Packers reportedly offered him a contract that was top five and he declined it. I really like Jones, but no RB is worth what he's going to get from like the Jaguars or something. How many RB's have we watched fail to achieve success with their new teams? A lot. Jones would be better served to sign a one year deal with attainable incentives and then cash in big on 2022 when that new TV money is more understood.

What players are you concerned with losing because of the salary cap drop? Aside from (I assume) Aaron Jones.
A good list can be found here. http://www.packershome.c...Green-Bay-Packers-Roster 

Allen Lazard (ERFA), Robert Tonyan (RFA), Raven Greene (RFA), Jamaal Williams I think will all be back in 2021. Corey Linsley being 30 years old is probably gonna just take the highest paid offer. Aaron Jones I think is going to be gone, but Williams is a year younger and will be cheaper anyway.



Mostly Jones, Linsley and Williams. I know we probably wouldn’t be able to afford them even if the cap wasn’t lowered.
It just frustrates me that you work hard to develope players, only to have them chase “the almighty dollar” first chance they get. I know it’s that way across the league. Not just “my” team.
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Zero2Cool
2021-02-19T19:58:02Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Mostly Jones, Linsley and Williams. I know we probably wouldn’t be able to afford them even if the cap wasn’t lowered.
It just frustrates me that you work hard to develope players, only to have them chase “the almighty dollar” first chance they get. I know it’s that way across the league. Not just “my” team.



I think this is a fascinating situation. Not only do we have COVID restricting the NFL revenue, we have new TV deals. ESPN's deal runs out in 2022. Fox, CBS and NBC end in 2023. I believe the NFL wants to finalize the new TV deals before confirming/setting the 2021 Salary Cap.

If I'm a player who is ascending, I sign a one year, maybe two year deal for 2021 knowing if I rock out I'll cash out in a lucrative long-term deal.
If I'm a player still in his prime, I'm doing a one year deal for 2021 knowing the ensuing years are going to be more financially fruitful.
If I'm a player in the decline, I sign in a manner that aligns with my priorities. If my priority is winning that elusive ring, I sign bargain deal.

A RB closing in on 30 years old -- I don't know what I would do. I'm someone who values winning and legacy over financial wealth so I would probably try for a three year guaranteed contract with the Packers. 2021 - $1 million, 2022 - $2 million and 2022 - $8 million.

Yes, taking the time to develop players and then them leaving after four years has to be a difficult. I don't think players leave the first chance they get and that's really being disingenuous to the plethora of players who re-sign lower offers than they could have had elsewhere. Just because the news doesn't plaster the selfless players does not mean they do not exist.

I do think Jamaal Williams will re-sign and probably be the Packers leading ball carrier in 2021 with AJ Dillon right behind him.
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beast
2021-02-21T16:52:27Z
Sounds like the NFL believes they can lock up 100% raise in TV contracts revenue from most of the TV companies, except maybe ESPN and ABC which are owned by Disney.

If so, they should be able to easily level out the decline in cap, though would they dare level it out before the deals are completed?

I think it depends how close they are to getting the companies to sign them.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/20/nfl-reportedly-seeking-to-double-broadcast-rights-fees/ 
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yooperfan (29-Nov) : Just sit King down for the rest of the season, we have better players to put out there
Nonstopdrivel (29-Nov) : At this point it's essentially flagrant malpractice to settle for a field goal attempt.
Mucky Tundra (28-Nov) : Bucs dodge a bullet
Mucky Tundra (28-Nov) : @mattschneidman · 14m Aaron Jones, Rashan Gary and Allen Lazard are active.
Mucky Tundra (28-Nov) : Inactives: Kevin King Vernon Scott David Bakhtiari Malik Taylor Jack Heflin
buckeyepackfan (28-Nov) : GOOD MORNING PACKER FANS! GAMEDAY! GO! PACK! GO!
Zero2Cool (28-Nov) : Packers OLB Rashan Gary (elbow) is expected to return to the lineup today against #Rams, per source.
Mucky Tundra (27-Nov) : @colecubelic · Nov 26 Air Force just beat UNLV by 34 & did not attempt a forward pass.
Mucky Tundra (26-Nov) : @AaronNagler · 4m EQ, who speaks English, French and German, just had an exchange with a German reporter that I couldn't understand so I'm just going to assume he guaranteed a championship.
Mucky Tundra (25-Nov) : Thought with the Bears circling in the drain and reportedly the locker room turning on Nagy would allow the Lions to steal one but I guess not
Zero2Cool (25-Nov) : I didn't think I did lol. Gotta pay more attention to those pre Sunday games lol
Mucky Tundra (25-Nov) : knew I shouldn't have picked the Lions
Mucky Tundra (25-Nov) : and with a 3rd down pick up, the Bears can milk the clock and kick a chip shot FG for the win
Mucky Tundra (25-Nov) : Oh Detroit, calling back to back timeouts for a delay of game on defense
Zero2Cool (25-Nov) : I picked Lions? 🤦 A gift to you.
wpr (25-Nov) : Happy Thanksgiving
yooperfan (25-Nov) : Happy Thanksgiving to one and all!!!
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : @packers · 1h #Packers sign G/T Jon Dietzen to the practice squad & place LB Jonathan Garvin on the reserve/COVID-19 list.
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : ramp up to come back from the COVID-19
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : By ramp up, do you mean a workout that got more intense as it went along or the lead up to the season?
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