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2020-05-03T02:00:30Z
Yeah, it's probably way too early. I think the top of the Packers roster looks fairly good, but lack of depth in a number of areas could leave the Packers in big trouble if injuries hit. That might of been the most interesting thing about last year.... the Packers finally stayed fairly healthy for once. Was that Gute changing up the roster? Or LaFleur's coaching? Interesting either way.

This mock assumes the draft picks make the 53 man roster (which is probably a horrible assumption), but if a couple of things fall a certain way on the OL, it's surprisingly possible, more than most years.

Pre-53 Roster Moves
Trade: OG Taylor
PUP: OG Madison, OG Stepaniak

Notes: It's expected that not all the Packers veterans will make the final roster, as more cap space is needed. The guy that most have pointed to is OG Lane Taylor being released (and that's quite possible still), but it's also possible that they're carrying him to training camp with a play to attempt to trade one of the veteran OGs.

Madison and Stepaniak both got ACL injuries late in the season and so will probably start the year on the PUP, if not end the year on the IR without playing a game.


Offense They seem to be going for more versatile guys that can be used in multiple ways
QB (3): Rodgers, Boyle, Love
RB (3): Jones, Dillon, J Williams
WR (6): Adams, Lazzard, Funchess, MVS, Ervin, Kumerow
TE (4): Sternberger, Lewis, Deguara, Tonyan
OT (3): Bakhtiari, Wagner, Light
OG (3): Jenkins, Turner, Runyan
OC (3): Linsley, Patrick, Hanson

Notes:
~ Last 6 guys to make it: Boyle, Kumerow, Tonyan, Light, Patrick, Hanson (not in that order)
~ Toughest calls: Who in the heck it makes it as back-up OT / last WR spot could get interesting, Kumerow might have a battle on his hands (or Boyle if two deserve a spot)
~ Ervin has the RB label, but he has twice as many catches as he does hand-offs for the last four years, so I'm labeling him a WR, also because they used him as such at times last year.

~ Interesting guys that missed out:
RB: UDFA Patrick Taylor has some nice potential, if he's sticks on the PS this year, he might earn a spot next year
WR: St. Brown, Shepherd and CFL's Reggie Begelton
TE: DL Looney, after looking good at TE on the PS, they switched him to TE. Could he earn a spot as TE?
OT: Leglue, Nijman and more... that back-up OT spot might be completely up for grabs, and while they listed him as an OG, I don't fully count out Runyan because the options don't look great. Wouldn't be totally shock if we resigned vet Jared Veldheer.


Defense Packers are usually in a 2-4 nickel, by NT = 1 technique and DT = 3 technique
NT (2): Lowry, Lancster
DT (3): Clark, Keke, Adams
OLB (4): Z Smith, P Smith, Gary, Garvin
ILB (5): Kirksay, Burks, Martin, Summers, Bolton
CB (6): Alexander, King, Sullivan, Jackson, Hollman, Amos
S (5): Amos, Savage, Greene, Redmond, Scott

Notes:
~ Last 6 guys to make it: Adams, Garvin, Summers, Bolton, CB Amos, Scott (not in that order)
~ Toughest calls: Who in the heck it makes it as the 6th CB, who's the 5th DL, who's the 4 ILB, and whom wins the last spot battle between the 6th DL vs 5th OLB vs 5th ILB (and who wins the 4th OLB spot probably should be on there too, but I just gave it to the draft pick).
~ OLB Z Smith / Gary, last year we saw Z Smith split some time in the interior DL, I'm expecting that we might see a lot more of that, which might mean only 5 DL are needed, but then a 5th OLB might be needed, but they haven't yet kept a 5th OLB under Pettine.
~ CB DaShaun Amos, played well in the CFL for two years. I selected him, because he's played well in the CFL and I don't know these UDFA CBs at all. Wouldn't be totally shock if we resigned vet Tramon Williams.

~ Interesting guys that missed out:
DL: Gerald Willis, Treyvon Hester, Packers could use more penetrating DTs, especially if Adams doesn't step it up. Willis was thought to be a boom or bust prospect, whom so far has busted. Hester hasn't been able to stay anywhere more than a year, but he keeps making 53 man rosters and as bonus he tipped the Bears double doink field goal, which stopped their great defensive potential Superbowl run.
OLB: Randy Ramsey, Greg Roberts and UDFA Delontae Scott.... Ramsey spent the year on the PS, Roberts on the IR and I thought Scott was an interesting UDFA as he's edge size but was asked to play 3-4 DE as an interior DL, which he's way to small to do in the NFL, but he looked his best in more open field and I think he's got some potential as an edge player, though he might need some time on the PS.
CB: Dequoy, Samuels, Sunderland: UDFAs, which if they don't resign a vet, it'll be one of the easier paths for an UDFA to make the roster.



Special Teams
ST (3): Crosby, Scott, Bradley
Only three at their positions... what is there to say?
UDFA edge Tipa Galeai's brother was a long snapper, and it's said Tipa has that skill set as well. What quality, is a huge question mark, but it's worth to note, that he might be a potential back-up LS in preseason.
wpr
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2020-05-03T04:05:06Z
A good job as usual. It's hard to pick a 53 right now.

Not to be critical just to comment on your roster-

Boyle may not be on the 53 by the ed of the year.
They will have 4 RB bit I',m ok with calling Ervin a WR instead of a RB. GB will call him a RB even if they split him out on the few occasions he's in the game other than ST.
I won't be shocked it EQ is in and Kumerow is out. I project 5 WR but if you stick Erivn here it still works out the same.
Too many OL at 9. I expect Hanson to be the one sent to the PS.
I'm probably short a player so perhaps Kumerow does make it after all.

I am not sure about the defense. Thee's always a UDFA or two that make the team and they seem to be on the defensive side.
4 Safeties instead if 5.
I'm not sure about Bolton at LB and they might keep another DL.

Overall pretty decent job on your part.
beast
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2020-05-03T05:28:18Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

Not to be critical just to comment on your roster-


I understand and welcome reasonable different opinions. And there are certainly some call that can literally go in any direction. And a lot depends on how guys look...

Like Gute was projecting Burks and Jackson to take a large jump forward. And honestly, I was tempted with a bit of a shocker of not having Montravius Adams make the roster (he needs to step it up, time is running out for him)


Originally Posted by: wpr 

Boyle may not be on the 53 by the ed of the year.

I very much agree, he might not be. And honestly, I haven't been a fan of keeping 3 QBs on the 53 ever since the CBA limited practice time. We basically never see 3rd string QBs develop anymore and defenses have been forced to get simpler, both of which are reasons these veterans QBs have been able.to stick around longer (plus more protection)

But my biggest question then was whom to replace him with? St. Brown, but he looked HORRIBLE in last year's training camp before the injury. Maybe Shepherd or the CFL WR, but I'm not sure they're enough for the 7th WR to beat out the 3rd QB. Maybe the most surprising consideration but the one that got me the most interested in releasing QB Boyle for, was TE Looney.

Because they seem to be going old school, versatile, physical guys... and Looney might be the future replacement for Marcedes Lewis, as they're the only non-H-back type TEs.


Originally Posted by: wpr 


They will have 4 RB bit I',m ok with calling Ervin a WR instead of a RB. GB will call him a RB even if they split him out on the few occasions he's in the game other than ST.
I won't be shocked it EQ is in and Kumerow is out. I project 5 WR but if you stick Erivn here it still works out the same.

I was tempted to keep another RB (so Ervin plus 4 others), but I just couldn't do because 3 plus Ervin seems like enough depth, those they're all FAs except the rookie draft pick after this year.

Honestly, I get the feeling they don't prefer Kumerow, he's not the most talented, but he seemed to maximum his chances better than others, and that didn't lead to more chances. Of course, they also semi shocked me and released Lazzard at the start of last season too, and then wouldn't let him on the field until Rodgers basically begged them to... and they fired the WR coach, so maybe some changes will be happening there.

Yeah, I was to have hope for EQ, but I can't get how poor he looked last training camp. Of course, both EQ and MVS looked MUCH better as rookies than that second year, so maybe they'll bounce back with a new coach or at least improve.

Also that Canadian WR interested me. But I'm thinking a limited training camp could hurt new people chances.


Originally Posted by: wpr 


Too many OL at 9. I expect Hanson to be the one sent to the PS.

Nope, 9 is just right, as I believe they have kept 9 most years. And they have even kept 10 on years where they have muliple draft picks making the roster.

And Packers just drafted some guys that might be replacement for FAs this year of next year and I'm expecting Hanson to be projected to replace Linsley next year.

So I think they keep Hanson on the 53 man roster unless he looks bad. I have Hanson over Patrick in my order to stick on the roster. They did resign Patrick but it was surprisingly low and they only lose 350k if they lose Patrick.


Originally Posted by: wpr 

I am not sure about the defense. Thee's always a UDFA or two that make the team and they seem to be on the defensive side.

Yeah, 6th CB and maybe OLB look like good spots for a potential UDFA spot to me. Though they might have less time to prepare this year.


Originally Posted by: wpr 

4 Safeties instead if 5.
I'm not sure about Bolton at LB and they might keep another DL.

Teams have general been going with 5 S more often, including the Packers, and I think it fits well for ST reasons.

The 5th ILB vs the 6th DL was literally the last battle I was arguing with myself and I went back and forth on it (even took out DT Adams for ILB Bolton and DT Hester).

I kept Bolton on, because it looked like he was going to be the starter before his injury. And Gute keeps hyping Burks, but when I've seen him, Burks has been making large errors.

Also thought about getting rid of Summers but ST value, plus he's a great effort tackling machine.

So it lead me to think getting rid of Adams or Hester, especially since I believe Z. Smith and/or Gary will once again be helping the DL playing on the inside, especially on 3rd down.

And with that in mind, I thought hard about going 5 DL, 4 ILB, and the extra spot going to the OLB. With Randy Ramsey, Greg Roberts and UDFA Delontae Scott all there battling for a spot.

wpr
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2020-05-03T14:20:50Z
As you already know it's tough to predict the team this time of the year. All the more so now with the COVID influence.

I doubt Begelton will make the team. I have always been a bit skeptical. Last week I heard someone point out that the Canadian teams don't have players who would have been drafted in the first 3 rounds, maybe only a few who would have been drafted in the 4th or 5th rounds. Kinda harsh but somewhat true. Nevertheless I would like to see what he can do.

Before the draft but I was thinking GB would get rid of Montravius Adams by selecting his replacement. As you say, one more chance.

I don't know if I saw it here or heard it some place else, EQ was starting to look better in practice and MLF etal were excited about him then he was injured. Perhaps it was rumor and conjecture. IDK.
Cheesey
2020-05-03T16:03:40Z
I can see them keeping a third QB this season. The reason, no chance for Love to catch up on the offense. The virus will make it extra hard for rookies to get up to speed. And at QB, they are running the team and have so much they have to learn.
So if Rodgers was to go down, Boyle at least would know the offense.
wpr
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2020-05-03T17:28:55Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

I can see them keeping a third QB this season. The reason, no chance for Love to catch up on the offense. The virus will make it extra hard for rookies to get up to speed. And at QB, they are running the team and have so much they have to learn.
So if Rodgers was to go down, Boyle at least would know the offense.



Right. That's why I said later in the year. It assumes by week x Gute and MLF are Comfortable with how Love is grasping the system to use the QB3 slot elsewhere. It's only May now so it doesn't really matter.
Cheesey
2020-05-03T18:16:32Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

Right. That's why I said later in the year. It assumes by week x Gute and MLF are Comfortable with how Love is grasping the system to use the QB3 slot elsewhere. It's only May now so it doesn't really matter.



Ohhh....sorry, I must have missed where you said that.
KRK
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2020-05-03T18:22:51Z
Beast,

great post. I love it when guys give things lots of thought and are willing to do a lot more homework that I am.

My only critique would be five at ILB, esp. since I am not a impressed with what’s there. Although, maybe some of these guys will be special teamers only.

Watching the offensive line is going to be very interesting. I’m glad we have a bunch of guys there, even if many are canon fodder. It will put pressure on the guys currently on the roster.
beast
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2020-05-04T04:00:14Z
Originally Posted by: KRK 

My only critique would be five at ILB, esp. since I am not a impressed with what’s there. Although, maybe some of these guys will be special teamers only.


And I certainly couldn't blame you for your lack of being impressed... but part of the hard part with this, is sometimes you have to make a hard call between two guys you want to keep, other times, you're really not impressed enough with any one person and have to use the spot some how.

Burks doesn't impress me, but Gute likes him. Summers was good on STs and Bolten looked like a starter before getting injured last year.

But it was hard for me to say the 6th DL, 7th CB, 6th S was more interesting than them... which just leaves the 5 OLB for defense, but they haven't shown any signs of being willing to keep a 5th edge under Pettine yet, and I don't know what they got.

So if I had to release an ILB, right now, I might keep another offensive player. But even there, it's tough unless you have faith in one of the WRs that didn't make it (which I'm not too high on at the moment), or want to try to keep another RB, since so many of the others are FAs.

For me, it honestly came down to UDFA RB Taylor, TE Looney, an OT, DL Hester, an OLB (maybe OLB Scott) or keeping both ILB Summers and ILB Bolton.

Those are all long shots... I ended up on with both ILBers, as a safer pick, and Packers did keep 6 ILBers two years ago (which I still don't know why), so they are willing to keep more.



Originally Posted by: KRK 


Watching the offensive line is going to be very interesting. I’m glad we have a bunch of guys there, even if many are canon fodder. It will put pressure on the guys currently on the roster.


Yeah backup OT really worries me. But maybe more running with help them out more and with that, might be better able to get away with an OT/OG tweener there especially with TE chip blocking help.
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2020-05-30T18:12:19Z
Originally Posted by: beast 


Trade: OG Taylor
PUP: OG Madison, OG Stepaniak

OT (3): Bakhtiari, Wagner, Light
OG (3): Jenkins, Turner, Runyan
OC (3): Linsley, Patrick, Hanson



Since Taylor took a pay cut, keep him and release Light, with the OGs also being in the mix for OT.

PUP: OG Madison, OG Stepaniak

OT (3): Bakhtiari, Wagner (and the OGs)
OG (3): Jenkins, Turner, Taylor, Runyan
OC (3): Linsley, Patrick, Hanson
Smokey
2020-05-31T04:57:09Z
Although it is rather early for a discussion of the 53 man roster, I don't see any dramatic changes over past roster selections. Most of the positions will be filled by returning veterans or FAs. The final 6 to 8 players can sometimes not be those that most had assumed would make the cut. Moreover, between now and September, trades, injuries, unforeseen events, and more can take place.

For me the biggest TC show will be with the WR corps. Will Funchees be a starter? Will Lazard get beat out for a starting slot?

Current depth charts show GB currently with 11 WRs, will 6 WRs be on the final roster?
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