dfosterf
14 years ago
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Collins 'up to speed;' rookie Raji absent
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Aug. 1, 2009

Green Bay On the same day that first-round draft choice B.J. Raji broke his promise that he wouldn't miss any training camp because of contract matters, Green Bay Packers veteran Nick Collins was in uniform and largely through with his offseason protest over the team's refusal to extend his current deal.

Given the scope of previous disturbances that involved Brett Favre, Javon Walker and Mike McKenzie, the Packers have very little to complain about this season.

Raji's absence really isn't a shock given rookie economics and the number of first-round picks who remain unsigned.

The fact Collins honored his contract and was on the field with his teammates for the first training camp practice Saturday, on the other hand, is a meaningful development.

The Packers are basically without distraction heading into this very important training camp for coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson.

"I'm here to win a championship," Collins said. "Help this team win the best way I can. I'm a team player. That's why they brought me here. My main focus is to better myself and this team."

Approximately 2,100 fans witnessed the first practice of the 2009 season and what they saw was a secondary that features the same blend of new and old talent that made it the strength of the entire football team last season.

The fact Collins, a safety, chose to limit his boycott of team activities to only those that were voluntary allowed for the pieces to be back in place.

"We have the same guys, which is good," cornerback Al Harris said. "Everybody is familiar with the guy next to him, so that makes a big difference. Nick is fine. He's going to be the same guy he was before. I'm not worried about him."

Coming off a 6-10 season, no player has much leverage in contract negotiations, but the Packers handed over $9 million per year to receiver Greg Jennings in a three-year contract extension and paid a $375,000 bonus to cornerback Tramon Williams on a one-year deal, which is rarely done for an exclusive rights free agent.

Collins, meanwhile, was told to wait.

It's not as if he'll be cheated out of a fair wage, though. An escalator in his contract boosted his salary from $545,000 to $3.045 million for 2009, more than enough to reward him for his first Pro Bowl election last season.

But long-term deals are what all players seek and Collins turned what began as a sabbatical in March to be with his dying father and newborn child into a full-fledged protest over the team's unwillingness to address his contract.

It's questionable whether he gained anything by skipping voluntary offseason workouts because nothing has changed.

No one in the organization has approached him to at least tell him that they want him to be around for many years to come.

"It's just been my agent and them," Collins said. "I have no dealing with it. That's between them and my agent. I want no parts of it. I have no idea what's going on upstairs. My main focus is what I can do on the field. That will take care of itself."

If Collins has another season like he did last year - 77 solo tackles, seven interceptions, 295 interception return yards and three touchdowns - then he'll be rewarded handsomely. But the club seems to want him to audition in the new 3-4 scheme before handing over a big chunk of money.

In the defense the Packers are playing, the strong safety is the big playmaker and right now Atari Bigby is getting the most time at that position.

Despite missing all the voluntary on-field activities, Collins appears to be up to speed with the new defense. He went mostly unnoticed the couple of times he came to town to meet in the classroom with new safeties coach Darren Perry, who offered a crash course on the defense and gave Collins material to take home.

"I'm up to speed with everything," he said. "People are going to write what they're going to write, just because I wasn't here. They don't know my situation. Let them talk. I don't worry about everything."
Not being with his teammates during the dog days of OTAs (organized team activities) could be construed as inexcusable insolence given he does have a contract and is earning more than every other player in the secondary except Harris and Charles Woodson. But there is a code among players that each man must take care of business because nobody else is going to take care of it for him.

"Everybody wants to be financially stable and take care of their families, but you also have a team and they're your family too," Williams said. "It's a tough business. You want to stick by those guys. That's the most important thing."

It remains to be seen whether Collins lets the contract situation affect his play negatively or if he files it away until the club finally calls his agent.
He never really intended to skip training camp, smartly recognizing that all it would do is cost him a large sum in fines. So his boycott is over and now it's time to play football.

"Business will take care of itself," Collins said. "I can't worry about it. Just go along with the flow. Hopefully, something gets done, if not, I can't complain. You're blessed just to be in the NFL. It doesn't last long."



On the Raji signing...

I asked Greg Bedard of the JS about the Raji situation in a live chat last night.

Q: "If Jacksonville gets Eugene Monroe signed [8 slot], to a contract, do you think we will be able to get Raji signed? "

A:

Dunn is waiting on Crabtree



He is referring to David Dunn of Athlete's First.

I just hope that either Greg was speculating or someone changes their mind.
bozz_2006
14 years ago
friggin crabtree.
UserPostedImage
14 years ago

friggin crabtree.

"bozz_2006" wrote:



Yep. Really starting to piss me off.
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dhazer
14 years ago
That will teach Ted Thompson not to draft him that buttmunch lol. :p

Avenge me Crabtree Avenge against Ted Thompson lol.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
After the Ryan Grant fiasco of last year, I am monitoring this situation very carefully. If Thompson and Co. cave in and overpay Raji simply because Crabtree is overpaid (assuming that happens), I will seriously start to question his backbone. After the way they handled the Collins situation, however, I remain confident this won't happen.

On the other hand, I am miffed at Raji for breaking his promise. I sincerely hope the patina is not wearing off already.
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dfosterf
14 years ago

friggin crabtree.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



Yep. Really starting to piss me off.

"bozz_2006" wrote:



We (GBP FO) have neither the legitimate "ceiling" or the "floor" established in order to make an offer.

The "ceiling" thus far is DHB of the Oakland Raiders, who, if you will recall, is considered a major "reach" pick. He is getting 5 years, 54 million.

OK, so far that is in the category of Oakland being stupid, but the numbers are pretty much in line with a decent increase from last year's 7 slot. This is important to grasp, because that is where the real "cut-off line" has been. Effectively, 7 and below are in the 10 mil per year range.

Then you get to the "floor".

OK, so far you have Orakpo at the 13 slot getting 5yrs 20 million.
Floor is not established either.

If 8 and 11 sign, there is a floor and a ceiling, IF Dunn doesn't stick to his concept of waiting for a Crabtree signing at 10, and IF the GBP FO is willing to negotiate without the true floor because 10 isn't signed.

Why is this so hard? Because the biggest differences in compensation occur between 7 and 8 in the draft. Not 1 and 2, or 3 and 4 etc. The second biggest difference occurs between (guess where)

9 and 8.

Do not wonder for one second why the huge bottleneck remains right where we are in the entire rookie pool.

8,9,11, and 12 are all waiting on that f#cking asswipe Crabtree and his agent.

JUST LIKE I FRIGGIN SAID WOULD HAPPEN, and just like I said, that friggin' Crabtree is a prima donna T.O. Type, and got laughed at about my rage at the man---Not so friggin' funny anymore.

RANT OFF
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Yet again, Foster-sir, I bow before your foresight, wisdom, and perspicacity.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

That will teach Ted Thompson not to draft him that buttmunch lol. :p

Avenge me Crabtree Avenge against Ted Thompson lol.

"dhazer" wrote:

You think the signing talks would be done faster with Ted if we drafted him? You're freaking insane. If that report is true that Dunn is waiting for Crabtree, then that's hurting the Packers. So how the hell can you be pleased with that? Seriously, is your spite for the GM greater than your admiration for the Packers?

I sure hope not. I also think it's foolish for the agent to wait on Crabtree. He plays WR, a skill position therefore his contract will be larger than Raji anyhow. Isn't that expected?
UserPostedImage
14 years ago

That will teach Ted Thompson not to draft him that buttmunch lol. :p

Avenge me Crabtree Avenge against Ted Thompson lol.

"dhazer" wrote:



Avenge you by making it his indirect problem, instead of his direct problem if he had drafted him? Makes sense. 😛
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porky88
14 years ago

After the Ryan Grant fiasco of last year, I am monitoring this situation very carefully. If Thompson and Co. cave in and overpay Raji simply because Crabtree is overpaid (assuming that happens), I will seriously start to question his backbone. After the way they handled the Collins situation, however, I remain confident this won't happen.

On the other hand, I am miffed at Raji for breaking his promise. I sincerely hope the patina is not wearing off already.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Raji will make closer to that of what Eugene Monroe (also unsigned) gets. My guess is they're waiting for Monroe to sign who was picked No. 8. No doubt that players Crabtree, Raji, Monroe, A. Smith, and Jackson are all making it difficult in the top ten to get these players signed.
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