Four Draft Sleepers The Packers Should Consider

wpr
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2 years ago

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I agree that GB probably has a long list of sleepers to watch for. While the names on this list merit some consideration his monologue, whew. Stick to the facts guy.

David Bell–Wide Receiver–Purdue probably no sooner than the 3rd round. He is the 70th overall player on a consensus big board.

Trey Andersen–Linebacker–Montana State 76th overall. probably won't go before the 4th or 5th round. It's Montana State so he may not go until the 6th or 7th. Again he messes up and calls him "Trey" instead of "Troy". If these are your guys to watch at the very least, get their names and schools correct. That's better than some glib comments about blondes, brunettes and bananas in someone's pocket.

Max Mitchell–Offensive Tackle–Louisiana 112 overall. He said Louisiana but it's Louisiana-Lafayette so 5th or 6th round at best and more than likely 7th or UDFA.

Britian Covey–Wide Receiver–Utah 415 overall. Seriously? 7 years in college. Not going to happen. UDFA at best.

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beast
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2 years ago

I wouldn't nessarily down grade them just because they went to small schools, after all Nick Collins was from Bethune-Cookman, wherever that is...

Trey Andersen was all conference as a QB (running QB) as a freshmen and focused on RB/LB after that... but his first full season focusing solely on LB and he absolutely lit it up, and being able to run a 4.42 at 245 lbs, while he's still under developed, I don't think anyone knows how high his ceiling is. As he simply more athletic than those he was playing with, but he could be more athletic than most guys his size too.

Max Mitchell has great technique, and I think could be a very good OL, though I don't know if he can stay at OT I'm the pros or not. Though I am considered with some small school OTs and maybe even some of the Pac-12 OTs as I'm not sure they're faced enough quality edge rushers.

wpr
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2 years ago

Originally Posted by: beast

fair enough. SOME small school players make it. Most don't. I have not seen any of these players. I'm merely playing the odds.

Mucky Tundra
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2 years ago

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wpr
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2 years ago

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra

People go nuts over the RAS. All I want to know is can he run good crisp routes and can he catch everything thrown his way? Some of the RAS events are meaningless. For example I have yet to see any receiver broad jump to get open or to catch a ball.

nerdmann
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2 years ago

Originally Posted by: wpr

That's true, but Gutey is an analytics guy. He figures his coaches can get production out of these guys who score well on athletic traits.

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beast
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2 years ago

Originally Posted by: wpr

I believe the jumps are to show different types of explosiveness.

But from what I've read of the WR, they used him like we used MVS, use your speed to go deep all the time, both for.deep balls but also to keep the Safeties back to open up the underneath stuff. So his routes are underdeveloped as he was used as a one trick pony, but he's good at that trick and we need that trick in our offense.

Zero2Cool
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2 years ago

I do not know what the RAS is, how it's formed or what not, but there's been enough evidence to support Brian Gutekunst drafts players with a higher RAS, therefore, it merits some attention.

nerdmann
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2 years ago

I do not know what the RAS is, how it's formed or what not, but there's been enough evidence to support Brian Gutekunst drafts players with a higher RAS, therefore, it merits some attention.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Relative athletic score. "Quick twitch" guys v "try hard" guys. Power Sweep podcast does an overview of each position in the draft focusing on these guys in three categories.

1: RAS guys with production

2: RAS guys who didn't produce big numbers (Rashan Gary, as an example)

3: Guys who had big production numbers, but didn't hit the RAS measurements.

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PackersNation
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2 years ago

#10

That's true, but Gutey is an analytics guy.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I've heard Brian Gutekunst called a lot of things, but that's the first I've seen him called a analytics guy.

I've never heard Gute focus on stats or specific patterns in stats or data. He wants to see a player play more than analyze data.

Brian is old school like Ted was. Gute learned all he knows from Ted. They go off seeing a player play in person, and the character of the player matters as much as anything.

Gute still travels near as much as when he was a scout. Not a lot of GMs see players play in person as much as Gute does. There are GMs that draft players having never talked to them personally. Not Gute.

Numbers and specific data patterns are not big on his list of things he focuses on when scouting players.

I may call LaFleur more of a analytics guy than Brian. But Brian does take his coaches thoughts and opinions into account as well.

Anyway, as for sleeper picks. I like Leo Chenal more than that Troy Andersen clown. Get Leo in the 3rd and it would be a steal for Gute. The Steelers love him and may nab him in the 2nd though. The Steelers know very well the return you get on Wisconsin natives. Not as much of a "sleeper" pick, as he is a stud player and high quality individual that you want on your team.

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