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Zero2Cool
2020-11-11T16:31:55Z
This was approved by the NFL and NFLPA.
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Teams that lose a minority coach or an executive to a head coach position or primary football executive role with another club will receive a third-round compensatory pick for two consecutive years.

If a team loses a minority coach and an executive to both head coach and general manager/president roles, that club will receive a third-round compensatory pick for three consecutive years.



We have 32 teams in the NFL. Each team has no more than one of the following. Owner, General Manager and Head Coach. Each team has at least three coordinators (Offense, Defense and Special Teams) and some have more. Teams also have anywhere from 3-6 assistants.

According to census.gov, America is populated by 76% White with the rest being considered the minority. Black or African American are 13%.

If you watch Hockey or NASCAR, you think yeah those numbers hold true. If you watch NBA and NFL, you're thinking those numbers are a flat out lie.

I'm absolutely in favor of everyone being given the same opportunity as the next person. I just don't feel people should be excluded based on race, nor should there be a reward for your race. I feel that causes division amongst us. I understand the intent of this change and I truly hope it works. It just feels dirty like this is some optics driven angle.

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2020-11-11T17:01:10Z
I agree. It feels wrong but by the same token I don't see why teams have not hired more minorities in the past. If I owned a team or if I was the GM I would want the best man (woman) to lead my team regardless of color.

There has been change but it has been slow. If they have to award comp picks I would have preferred it to be for one year not two. I would also preferred it to be a 5th instead of a 3rd. If the 5th didn't help then they could come back and sweetened the offer.

The next question is what happens next? If every team hires a Black GM/HC for the next 10 years and it is no longer an issue do they remove the comp?
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2020-11-11T18:28:03Z
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

..and their ability to coach.
Cheesey
2020-11-12T00:50:10Z
I think it’s stupid.
If a black person has the best qualifications, I would for certain hire them!
If it’s a white person, Asian person, Native American, whatever. If they are the best qualified, HIRE them!!!
If you don’t, YOU are the idiot.

Giving incentives for the color of their skin? Just another wedge to make sure the races keep the hate flowing.
Maybe the NFL and NBA should gives teams incentives to have more white players on their teams.
The majority of players are black.

Their talent/abilities should be placed less important, and skin color should matter more.
(See how stupid that would be?)
earthquake
2020-11-12T05:31:04Z
Meritocracy is all fine and dandy on paper. In reality, women and minorities are simply not given the same opportunities that white men are. They're paid less, they're less likely to be put in positions of leadership, management, executive positions, etc, even when they are equally qualified for these positions. Nepotism, sexism, and good old-fashioned systemic racism are problems that we're still struggling with in this country (and the world at large). The NFL is certainly no different.

This inequality is patently visible in a league in which 2/3rds of the players are black and exceptionally few minorities occupy high-level positions. Is it because black and brown people are simply less able? Well, given that there are a lot more experienced minorities in this line of work than white people, that seems unlikely. Surely through brute force and the law of averages, we could expect able candidates to emerge. Is it because they are less qualified? In a sense yes, in that they are given fewer opportunities, which means fewer chances for work experience, success, and career advancement. Lack of qualified, experienced minority candidates for senior positions is in some sense a vicious cycle - one that this policy would seem to try and rectify.

How successful this program will be remains to be seen (I won't be holding my breath), but I think it's a step in the right direction. Specifically, if the goal is to level the playing field (which it is, whether or not you agree that it needs leveling), I think positive reinforcement is a better route to take than the negative reinforcement of the Roonie rule, which is so easily skirted and rarely enforced that it is effectively meaningless.
Smokey
2020-11-12T05:55:39Z
Some will always be stirring up the "race" pot. They won't be happy until all races embrace their culture. I say celebrate your culture, but don't force it down anyone's throat.

Race should not be a consideration for any job/position. Merit should be the primary qualification, followed by personality, work history, and health requirements. Placing hiring goals/rewards based on race is unfair to those that have earned the job/promotion. Do some teams Secondary's or O Line's underperform because less than the best qualified person got hired to satisfy some quota.

The cream always rises to the top, if that policy is known/enforced, hard work would soon be rewarded again and quality would be the highest priority instead of looking to satisfy some civil activist.

Many years ago I auditioned for High School Regional Band. I had to play for three judges who were seated behind cloth barriers. I was just another number to them. In the end I was selected 2nd chair of my section. The selection process could not have been fairer. Such a colorblind policy should be standard in the NFL as well as throughout the country.
earthquake
2020-11-12T06:07:48Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Some will always be stirring up the "race" pot. They won't be happy until all races embrace their culture. I say celebrate your culture, but don't force it down anyone's throat.

Race should not be a consideration for any job/position. Merit should be the primary qualification, followed by personality, work history, and health requirements. Placing hiring goals/rewards based on race is unfair to those that have earned the job/promotion. Do some teams Secondary's or O Line's underperform because less than the best qualified person got hired to satisfy some quota.

The cream always rises to the top, if that policy is known/enforced, hard work would soon be rewarded again and quality would be the highest priority instead of looking to satisfy some civil activist.

Many years ago I auditioned for High School Regional Band. I had to play for three judges who were seated behind cloth barriers. I was just another number to them. In the end I was selected 2nd chair of my section. The selection process could not have been fairer. Such a colorblind policy should be standard in the NFL as well as throughout the country.



Wake me up when this glorious land of opportunity, equality, and merit presents itself.

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Smokey
2020-11-12T09:42:25Z
earthquake,

the world has never been and never will be fair, perfect, or easy. A lot of the time it's not what you know, but who you know. It may not be fair, but family, friends, neighbors, etc. do serve to help each other. Minorities do it as well, but most have had less time to be successful and develop such networks. Still the limiting factor to success is the power of your resume'. Additionally some are blessed with natural talent. Actors, salespeople, athletes, and others have gained success in spite of little or no education. Luck can play a role as well in success.

If you want to do better than someone's chart or statistical analysis then like millions of others throughout history you have to do it yourself. It's a human race and not a free buffet.
Zero2Cool
2020-11-12T13:17:49Z
I always find opinions like these to be fascinating. I do research on how said opinions are true and it gets proven false. My oldest came home and had a report to do. She was very upset that as a young woman, she wouldn't have many opportunities. We talked and I posed some questions to her and she later found out, she has the same opportunity as anyone else. I later told her that the only thing that could ever stop her was the girl in the mirror.

That doesn't milk the guilt some are forced to consume through the victims of America. They need to preach about inequality and show narrow minded statistics that once delved into are proven bogus. But, they refuse to comprehend the obvious. They refuse to understand their moral high horse has the foundation of a house of cards.

One of the many ways people formulate their guilt is when they hear Company X is 90% white and 10% minority, they freak out and run to their moral high horse platform and shout, INEQUALITY!! They don't care to check the demographics of the area and see that 95% are white, and only 5% are minorities.

And because these statistics get thrown around, we then get people more qualified getting passed over for those less qualified because of their sex, because of their race. The circle-jerk doesn't end there because then the common rebuttal is "how does it feel privileged white male!!".

I look forward to the day good PURE unbiased education is available for everyone. The way we are going now, I fear the victimizing of a gender, or of a race, or both is creating a growing group who are going to shun their eye of opportunity towards someone else because they are tired of hearing the fake cries. Reminds me of the story of the boy who cried wolf.
earthquake
2020-11-12T14:43:28Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

earthquake,

the world has never been and never will be fair, perfect, or easy. A lot of the time it's not what you know, but who you know. It may not be fair, but family, friends, neighbors, etc. do serve to help each other. Minorities do it as well, but most have had less time to be successful and develop such networks. Still the limiting factor to success is the power of your resume'. Additionally some are blessed with natural talent. Actors, salespeople, athletes, and others have gained success in spite of little or no education. Luck can play a role as well in success.

If you want to do better than someone's chart or statistical analysis then like millions of others throughout history you have to do it yourself. It's a human race and not a free buffet.



This is all well and good in theory. And generally, the sentiment is noble and well-intended. Unfortunately, it's not true that having a good resume will get you the same opportunities. Research shows that simply having a black or ethnic-sounding name makes it less likely that one will get a callback or interview for a position even when the candidate is exceptionally qualified for the position.

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Source: https://hbswk.hbs.edu/it...umes-get-more-interviews 
More: https://www.theladders.c...ployers-fewer-calls-back 
More: https://www.nber.org/dig...ers-replies-racial-names 

Going further, black and brown kids tend to live closer to the poverty line, so their access to quality education is reduced. Simply getting to the point where they are equally educated, equality qualified as an average white candidate, is an extra hurdle that they must jump. That's not to say that it can't be done, but on average, they start in a state of disadvantagement. Back to the topic of the thread, this is likely a factor in why there are fewer minorities in prominent positions in the NFL.

Generally speaking, I agree that in an ideal world, people should all be treated the same and no special considerations would need to be given. But we don't live in an ideal world, so equity rather than literal equality is often necessary. In time I think we might get there, but we're not there yet. We're only about a century removed from suffrage, and 50 years removed from the civil rights movement, and the lasting damage of slavery, Jim Crow, etc has yet to be undone.

Kevin, the difference between having some opportunity, and having the same opportunities is important to grasp. I'm not suggesting that your little girl will have no opportunity. She will likely have ample opportunity for success in life. Not as much as if she was a he, but most likely more than her mother and grandmother did, which is a sign of progress.
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2020-11-12T15:03:53Z
Originally Posted by: earthquake 

Again this is well and good in theory. Unfortunately, it's not true that having a good resume will get you the same opportunities. Research shows that simply having a black or ethnic-sounding name makes it much less likely that one will get a callback or interview for a position even when the candidate is exceptionally qualified for the position.



When I was in college in the 70's one of my professors was telling us not only do men get promotions more often than women, whites more than blacks, slender more than pudgy, men with a full head of hair more than bald. And those who are taller more so than those who are short.

One of my classmates and I were discussing the issue of height. He said it surprised him. I'm 5'9" which is average. I told him I had been keenly aware of the height issue all 4 years of college. I told him that I was consistently the shortest or one of the 2 or 3 shortest men in every single business class and closer to average in non business classes. He was 6'3" I think. He said at his large suburban high school he was one of the tallest 4-5 guys in the school but as he looked around the room he was only average. It was a surprise to him.
( Started at one college and transferred to another and my height or the lack thereof was the same at both colleges.)

I am short, more than a little pudgy and bald so I would never make it very far without owning my own business.

I don't mean to imply that I have it rougher than a short black woman who is overweight. Simply that society has known about the inadequacies in hiring and promotion for a long long time.



earthquake
2020-11-12T15:25:31Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

When I was in college in the 70's one of my professors was telling us not only do men get promotions more often than women, whites more than blacks, slender more than pudgy, men with a full head of hair more than bald. And those who are taller more so than those who are short.

One of my classmates and I were discussing the issue of height. He said it surprised him. I'm 5'9" which is average. I told him I had been keenly aware of the height issue all 4 years of college. I told him that I was consistently the shortest or one of the 2 or 3 shortest men in every single business class and closer to average in non business classes. He was 6'3" I think. He said at his large suburban high school he was one of the tallest 4-5 guys in the school but as he looked around the room he was only average. It was a surprise to him.
( Started at one college and transferred to another and my height or the lack thereof was the same at both colleges.)

I am short, more than a little pudgy and bald so I would never make it very far without owning my own business.

I don't mean to imply that I have it rougher than a short black woman who is overweight. Simply that society has known about the inadequacies in hiring and promotion for a long long time.



Absolutely, the analytics of hiring and promoting workers is an interesting field of research. Those who are viewed as attractive, outgoing, charismatic, etc, are often promoted and hired at higher rates regardless of or even in spite of merit. Sex, race, physical appearance, and personality type (and by this I mean introversion vs extroversion more than whether one is an asshole) are all components that factor into one's trajectory in professional life. Hard work, intelligence, and ambition are of course extremely important as well, but are hardly the only factors in play.
beast
2020-11-12T15:52:19Z
I don't love this solution, especially don't even like the compensation (two 3rd rounders?... seems a bit desperate).

But I feel like the real problem is nepotism (itt more about who you know), and the owners lack of knowledge...

Yeah, I said owners lack of knowledge, yes it's their team and their money, so they should get to spend it the way they want, but sometimes their choices for GM or Head coach just seem extremely questionable before they're even hired.

Bruce Allen to the Redskins certainly comes to mind, I mean maybe if you want him as an office guy leading you to get a new stadium, which is supposively why he lasted so long, but there is no dang reason for him to be in charge of actual football items IMO.

Rex Ryan (entertaining as hell, respect the man defenses), but hiring him as head coach of the Bills was clearly a mistake. The Bills had a dominating 4-3 defense, Ryan doesn't do 4-3 and those players didn't fit well into a 3-4. And the Bills problem was offense, and Ryan doesn't do offense.

The again, from what I remember, it's almost a surprise when some of these guys get in... kirk LaFleur broke into the NFL because there was a surprise opening and a coach he used to work with kept mentioning him... and LaFleur brother broke into the NFL easier because of LaFleur.


But it is disappointing, that there are a good number of questionable GMs, but I think there might be (I'm not sure, but I think there might be) only one non-white male.

As for compensation, I think the compensation, should be cash... as in, hey if you hire a non-white guy for head coach or GM, we'll pay ____ amount to cover their salary, so taking a chance on them cost less to you. Not a football advantage.
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2020-11-12T16:25:27Z
Originally Posted by: beast 

I don't love this solution, especially don't even like the compensation (two 3rd rounders?... seems a bit desperate).

But I feel like the real problem is nepotism (itt more about who you know), and the owners lack of knowledge...

Yeah, I said owners lack of knowledge, yes it's their team and their money, so they should get to spend it the way they want, but sometimes their choices for GM or Head coach just seem extremely questionable before they're even hired.

Bruce Allen to the Redskins certainly comes to mind, I mean maybe if you want him as an office guy leading you to get a new stadium, which is supposively why he lasted so long, but there is no dang reason for him to be in charge of actual football items IMO.

Rex Ryan (entertaining as hell, respect the man defenses), but hiring him as head coach of the Bills was clearly a mistake. The Bills had a dominating 4-3 defense, Ryan doesn't do 4-3 and those players didn't fit well into a 3-4. And the Bills problem was offense, and Ryan doesn't do offense.

The again, from what I remember, it's almost a surprise when some of these guys get in... kirk LaFleur broke into the NFL because there was a surprise opening and a coach he used to work with kept mentioning him... and LaFleur brother broke into the NFL easier because of LaFleur.


But it is disappointing, that there are a good number of questionable GMs, but I think there might be (I'm not sure, but I think there might be) only one non-white male.

As for compensation, I think the compensation, should be cash... as in, hey if you hire a non-white guy for head coach or GM, we'll pay ____ amount to cover their salary, so taking a chance on them cost less to you. Not a football advantage.



Da bares have been a classic example. After Papa Halas had to step down they hired Jim Dooley, Abe Gibron, Jack Pardee who I thought could be decent coaches but then my all time favorite bares coach - Neill Armstrong. I was laughing when they pulled this off. Likewise I was upset when Ditka replaced him.

I think you are on to something with the monetization. Instead of giving a team cash maybe they could raise the cap by a set amount.
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2020-11-12T16:26:18Z
Originally Posted by: beast 

I don't love this solution, especially don't even like the compensation (two 3rd rounders?... seems a bit desperate).

But I feel like the real problem is nepotism (itt more about who you know), and the owners lack of knowledge...

Yeah, I said owners lack of knowledge, yes it's their team and their money, so they should get to spend it the way they want, but sometimes their choices for GM or Head coach just seem extremely questionable before they're even hired.

Bruce Allen to the Redskins certainly comes to mind, I mean maybe if you want him as an office guy leading you to get a new stadium, which is supposively why he lasted so long, but there is no dang reason for him to be in charge of actual football items IMO.

Rex Ryan (entertaining as hell, respect the man defenses), but hiring him as head coach of the Bills was clearly a mistake. The Bills had a dominating 4-3 defense, Ryan doesn't do 4-3 and those players didn't fit well into a 3-4. And the Bills problem was offense, and Ryan doesn't do offense.

Excellent points.

For many of these owners, their NFL team is a frolic....a self-actualization exercise. It is an alternative to golf or fishing.

Just because someone makes a lot of money at something doesn't mean they know what they are doing or talking about in another field, be it football or politics.

Zero2Cool
2020-11-12T16:41:36Z
Originally Posted by: beast 

But I feel like the real problem is nepotism (itt more about who you know), and the owners lack of knowledge...


As the saying goes, "It's Not What You Know. It's Who You Know". Is this a problem? Only if the person is a certain sex or gender.

I've been passed over for jobs because the hiring person chose someone they knew. Them are the breaks, that's how it goes sometimes and it sucks.

The equality conversation is one that I feel is very challenging because it encapsulates so much. We can naively look at analytics and assume that tells the whole story. It doesn't. It tells the story the person/s procuring the statistics wants to tell. Throwing studies around and what not is fruitless and it shows a lack of understanding of the root of the problem. And also the severity of the problem.

As a business owner, I wouldn't give a rats ass if you're male, female, straight, trans, white, black, native, etc ... my primary concerns are going to be, are you good culture fit? Are you coachable? Are you knowledgeable in your field? Off the top of my head, those would be the things I would focus on. That's easy though, right? Yeah, of course you would hire the person who would best fit what you're seeking. But, what happens when it comes time to promote one person and two equally qualified people apply? If your deciding factor is both are equally knowledgeable but one has a better attitude -- you better hope the better attitude is held by a minority otherwise you'll get a lawsuit.

I want to go into depth on this, but the last time I did that, no one really gave a damn. I will say this. We need to raise our children better and without worry they are going to be discriminated against. If we raise our kids believing they have an excuse (true or not), they will wreck their head wondering if that built-in excuse is why they didn't get the job. No one should be anyone's underdog. As I tell my girls, don't let anyone get in the way of your success by giving them a reason to deny it.

Regarding race, I encourage people to watch the movie 13th. I believe they kind of went a little propaganda towards the end, but if you don't have your head in your ass, you can really see where the root of the problem is.

Edit, this is what I'm talking about. I'm not saying she's suing for sexism and not saying she wouldn't be right. I fear the loud push for equality will then steer people away from hiring women and minorities due to lawsuits. This is kind of similar to those with disabilities saying the regulations are hurting them from getting a job because employers are afraid of a lawsuit if they are terminated. I hate (momentarily) feeling like the only action is inaction because that is not actionable enough.
Cheesey
2020-11-13T16:12:39Z
See?
If you hire a woman or minority, and they aren’t doing the job, you are opening yourself to a possible law suit “you fired me because I’m a woman/ black/ gay” whatever.

Years ago I was watching a show on TV. A white police chief hired a young black man to be a cop. All during the show the black cop was messing up. The chief kept giving him break after break. Finally, the chief had no choice, and fired him. The young cop said “you’re just firing me because I’m black!”
The chief replied “no, I Hired you because you are black, I fired you because you’re a lousy cop!”

And that still goes on today.
Back in the 1970s, I was thinking of trying to become a cop. I worked in security at the time. I say an ad in the Milwaukee Journal for openings in the Milwaukee Police force.
I was getting excited about the possibility......then at the bottom of the ad :”if you are a woman or minority, apply to”
That shut down my hopes.
I guess my “white privilege” was a myth.
There are whites passed over for jobs too. And it might be because they aren’t good looking, or considered too old, or as was said, a family member or friend got the job instead.
Too many use their race or gender as a crutch as to why they didn’t get a certain job.
If race was such a big reason, then the pro sports wouldn’t have so many black players. They get picked for those jobs because they are the best qualified. They make millions of dollars doing so.
Should not as talented white guys start law suits saying they were not picked because they are white?

What ever skin color, the best qualified should be hired.
That how it SHOULD be, at least.
Zero2Cool
2020-11-13T16:18:33Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

What ever skin color, the best qualified should be hired.
That how it SHOULD be, at least.



I believe we all think this to be true. But, how do know that's what is happening? You see, people want their analytics to support this or disprove this. The Excel wizards need their time in the spotlight.


Facetiously I pose a question based off a Tweeter comment I saw. Will the NFL be rewarding teams who have a white person playing in the secondary?
Zero2Cool
2020-11-13T21:24:09Z
Miami Marlins hire Kim Ng as MLB's as general manager. This is pretty cool!
beast
2020-11-13T23:17:45Z
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

As a business owner, I wouldn't give a rats ass if you're male, female, straight, trans, white, black, native, etc ... my primary concerns are going to be, are you good culture fit? Are you coachable? Are you knowledgeable in your field? Off the top of my head, those would be the things I would focus on. That's easy though, right? Yeah, of course you would hire the person who would best fit what you're seeking. But, what happens when it comes time to promote one person and two equally qualified people apply? If your deciding factor is both are equally knowledgeable but one has a better attitude -- you better hope the better attitude is held by a minority otherwise you'll get a lawsuit.


Zero2©ool for Packers Owner!?! 😋

(sorry, I accidentally hit the © and thought it looked interesting and decided to keep it lol)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Regarding race, I encourage people to watch the movie 13th.

Interesting, you're promoting a movie called "13th" on Friday the 13th, seems like a trap lol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Edit, this is what I'm talking about. I'm not saying she's suing for sexism and not saying she wouldn't be right. I fear the loud push for equality will then steer people away from hiring women and minorities due to lawsuits. This is kind of similar to those with disabilities saying the regulations are hurting them from getting a job because employers are afraid of a lawsuit if they are terminated. I hate (momentarily) feeling like the only action is inaction because that is not actionable enough.

Ever since they fired her for (I believe) "Culture fit", I wondered what the heck they meant, especially with no leaks of more details. Usually when something like that is used for the reason, negative details about the person get leaked.

Then basically everything I've read suggesting she was absolutely amazing, and others in the NFL could learn for her...

I wondered if this was political related... and it's now come out, she was fired four days after she posted some pro-female stuff as it appears we will have the first female VP, and someone making fun of the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference , while the owners have been Republican backers.

If this goes to court, I'm sure they'll dig up every negative they can, but so far, it seems she was fired for expressing her political beliefs. Which when and where she did such things (her own time and money or employers time and money) might be the difference of whom wins that win, also what can you prove or disprove.


But so far, I'm most surprised they haven't leaked some negative about her... usually teams seem to go off the record and leak negatives out there for the media. But so far, not a single negative thing from anyone.
Cheesey
2020-11-14T19:36:03Z
Maybe they are holding off leaking anything about her, so they can use it if she tries to sue them.
They may have legitimate reasons to terminate her, but are actually being decent by keeping it to themselves.
(It COULD happen, right?)😂
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beast (27-Nov) : I remember when I wanted WR Terry McLaurin and we selected TE Sternberger one pick before Terry McLaurin, now he's a stud for the Deadskins
beast (27-Nov) : I remember when I wanted WR Terry McLaurin and we selected TE Sternberger one pick before Terry McLaurin, now he's a stud for the Deadskins
TheKanataThrilla (27-Nov) : Remember when Packer fans wanted Montez Sweat. He is pretty good.
TheKanataThrilla (27-Nov) : Fake punt where was nerd...huge fail on that play Cowboys
nerdmann (26-Nov) : Like Mike's early days, sliding Daryn Colledge out to LT against the Vikes.
nerdmann (26-Nov) : Cowboys lose both Ts on first drive.
nerdmann (26-Nov) : Texans passing pretty much at will.
nerdmann (26-Nov) : Lions running the ball up the middle with Apete.
nerdmann (26-Nov) : Lions running the ball up the middle with Apete.
Zero2Cool (26-Nov) : First Thanksgiving was in September in Florida.
yooperfan (26-Nov) : Happy Thanksgiving to all from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
KRK (26-Nov) : Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!!
Zero2Cool (26-Nov) : Passer rating allowed in coverage for #Packers defense this season: Man Coverage: 83.2 (3rd) Zone Coverage: 104.3 (28th)
Cheesey (25-Nov) : I’d love to see what Dillon can do. Especially in 3rd and one.
Zero2Cool (25-Nov) : Matt LaFleur said RB AJ Dillon has returned to the building and is still working through the Covid-19 protocols. He said he still believes Dillon can contribute a lot to the team once he returns.
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