The glass half full and half empty

luigis
Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

I'm still celebrating a huge victory, being virtually 3 games ahead of Seattle is a huge thing for us, I really really hope not to play Seattle again this season but if we have to then I hope it will be at home.

I've seen many good and bad things in yesterday's game here are some comments:

The glass half full:

- Montgomery: This is IMO a very special player, he is not just another WR, I think he can play TE and RB, so we have a WR/TE/RB hybrid and the best QB in the NFL, it has to be an explosive combo. I'm specially happy because all the comments point to this kid being very smart, I can only imagine how many plays we can design for him.

- Elliot: It will be very very very hard to explain if Perry has more snaps than Elliot in the next game. I see Elliot as a young version of Peppers, he is very quick from the snap and he clearly has a talent for making plays.

- R.Rodgers: I think it is time to prepare the chmurization ceremony for him. He is playing a heck of a game. I find it funny that the only two guys we can't replace are named Rodgers.

- BJ: This will raise some hairs (hi!) but he is playing for redemption, and he is clearly doing a strong effort. I'm very happy about this.

The glass half empty:

- Hayward: I know several people like him but I would like to sit down with them and watch every snap Hayward has played for us, it is crystal clear to me that he is afraid of contact. There's a Wilson run where Hayward was in front of him and tried to avoid tackling him! I'm not talking about missing a tackle I'm talking about trying not to tackle at all!. Wilson, for whatever reason, went down and Hayward carefully touched him to put it down by contact. Please watch the play it is sad and funny at the same time.

- Burnett: Ha Ha makes a lot of mistakes, he is like a Jar Jar Binks for our defense, for some reason his mistakes are funny. Yet I keep hearing how Burnett is a critical piece in our defense. Except missing tackles I never see Burnett doing anything, he is constantly out of position. Maybe I'm not seeing something.

Go Pack!

Luis

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DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

8 years ago

Well Burnett led our team in tackles last year, so I dunno man. But he's certainly not a pro-bowler.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

How do you know where Burnett is or is not supposed to be? You honestly think McCarthy and Capers are going to play a player who is constantly out of position?

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

luigis
Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

How do you know where Burnett is or is not supposed to be? You honestly think McCarthy and Capers are going to play a player who is constantly out of position?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

If Mike McCarthy puts Burnett in it is probably because he is the best player we have for the position, which is not the same as saying he is playing well.
You are right I can't assert that he is out of position but in most plays you see Ha Ha participating in some way and Burnett is nowhere to be seen. He is also nowhere to be seen in the deep passes so my guess is that he is frequently out of position.

There was a long pass that Wilson overthrown where Hyde was beaten, Ha Ha was nearby but wouldn't have arrived to help, burnett was nowhere to be seen.

Then we have a couple of runs where Ha Ha made the tackle or dove to the pile after the tackle, Burnett was not in the area.

The only time I saw his number was in a very badly missed tackle of Lynch, then he did almost nothing.

Luis

nerdmann
Premier Member

8 years ago

How do you know where Burnett is or is not supposed to be? You honestly think McCarthy and Capers are going to play a player who is constantly out of position?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

I guess we can't blame Peprah anymore.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

Originally Posted by: luigis

Well that is sorta like saying Perry had 3 tackles and Peppers only had one so peppers must have been out of position all the time. Unless it is a play in the middle of the field, I wouldn't expect both to be in on the play. If one creeps up for run support the other is normally covering deep, if they are both back they are each responsible for a side.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

FLORIDA PACKER88
Member

8 years ago

I've never been a huge fan of Burnette, but our run day clearly looked better with him in the box last night. Hats off to Perry, Neal, and Elliot for providing pressure and great run stopping in those cut back lanes most of the night! RAJI was playing like a man on fire. If he keeps this up he's inline for an extension.

steveishere
Veteran Member

8 years ago

If Mike McCarthy puts Burnett in it is probably because he is the best player we have for the position, which is not the same as saying he is playing well.
You are right I can't assert that he is out of position but in most plays you see Ha Ha participating in some way and Burnett is nowhere to be seen. He is also nowhere to be seen in the deep passes so my guess is that he is frequently out of position.

There was a long pass that Wilson overthrown where Hyde was beaten, Ha Ha was nearby but wouldn't have arrived to help, burnett was nowhere to be seen.

Then we have a couple of runs where Ha Ha made the tackle or dove to the pile after the tackle, Burnett was not in the area.

The only time I saw his number was in a very badly missed tackle of Lynch, then he did almost nothing.

Originally Posted by: luigis

He's a strong safety if he were consistently nearby deep passes THAT would probably indicate he's out of position. Your logic for why he's "frequently out of position" simply makes zero sense. You are gonna have to come up with something better.

luigis
Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Point taken.
My argument is very simple: I don't see Burnett near the play very often.
Maybe this is because when the TV shows something Burnett is assigned to the other side of the field but it would be strange for this to happen all the time.

Maybe instead of saying "constantly out of position" I should have said "frequently away from the play".

Luis

steveishere
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#10

Originally Posted by: luigis

I don't think a sample of 1 game after coming off an injury is much to make such a judgement off of. Last year he had more tackles than any safety in the league so that really doesn't support an idea of him frequently being away from the plays.

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