buckeyepackfan
8 years ago

I already stated my case. We all watched him last year. How could you conclude that he was ever going to be anything special? sschind posted some very damning statistics from PFF (which I don't really hold a lot of respect for) but they echo and mirror my thoughts that he wasn't very good at all last season. Meanwhile, the hype train on this kid rolls on for no other reason other than he's a Green Bay Packer. Now, despite of what we've seen last year, you have posted more of what I'm talking about by saying because our GM has a good track record. Yup, true. That has nothing to do with what we saw last year. Past results also don't guarantee future success. Finley and Rodgers being drafted in the same round has nothing to do with anything.

What is it that you personally have seen that has you excited in the least? What? There's nothing there but romanti fanticism that this guy is a high Packers draft pick.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Once again you are all conjecture.

Once again you are stating bullshit that nobody has said.

Funny that You never mention the rookies who excelled way beyond expectations.

Yet when R. Rodgers has a good year for a rookie you are already calling him a wasted pick.

Most on this forum WANT THE PACKERS DRAFT PICKS TO CONTRIBUTE AND DEVELOPE..
.You on the other hand hope they are complete failures, so you can keep up your weak ass argument That Ted Thompson doesn't know what he is doing..
TED THOMPSON DIDN'T SIGN YOUR BOY JIMMY GRAHAM!

Get the hell over it and move on.

Quit spamming every Damn thread!

You ever think some here are posting these threads just to bait you into doing exactly what you do.

Make yourself look silly!
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago
Jermichael Finely showed a lot more than Richard Rodgers in their rookie seasons. I was excited to see what Finely would do next. Rodgers I'm not really even thinking about.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

I already stated my case. We all watched him last year. How could you conclude that he was ever going to be anything special?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



He did way, way WAY more than Finley did in his rookie year.

TO SUMMARIZE: Comparable speed, drafted in same round, did way more than Finley did as a rook, actually knows how to run routes (played WR in college) smart enough to understand the game plan without Aaron Rodgers having to take a special night before the game just to explain it to him, shuts his pie hole, does his job, does not proclaim he's "taking over the league" every year.

Damn, what's not to like?
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uffda udfa
8 years ago

Once again you are all conjecture.

Once again you are stating bullshit that nobody has said.

Funny that You never mention the rookies who excelled way beyond expectations.

Yet when R. Rodgers has a good year for a rookie you are already calling him a wasted pick.

Most on this forum WANT THE PACKERS DRAFT PICKS TO CONTRIBUTE AND DEVELOPE..
.You on the other hand hope they are complete failures, so you can keep up your weak ass argument That Ted Thompson doesn't know what he is doing..
TED THOMPSON DIDN'T SIGN YOUR BOY JIMMY GRAHAM!

Get the hell over it and move on.

Quit spamming every Damn thread!

You ever think some here are posting these threads just to bait you into doing exactly what you do.

Make yourself look silly!

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



What you see as spamming and derailing is actually truth and points you can't refute. You want to play fantasies here. sschind posted his PFF grades...he was among the worst in the NFL per them. Somehow, per YOU, he had a GREAT season? HUH? He was BRUTAL. I saw NOTHING from him and I mean NOTHING that got me excited for his future only that he'll be another Andrew Quarless if he is ever his equal as a blocker.

Go reread you post... Yet when R. Rodgers has a good year for a rookie you are already calling him a wasted pick.

There is so much wrong with your MISstatement. He had a BRUTAL year number 1 and secondly I have NEVER called him a wasted pick. Where did I do that? I said he was unexciting and like any number of TE's who come in and out of this league. He's average. Nothing special. Somehow you have to go cuckoo over the truth and tell me how wrong I am but it's based on what? You saying he had a good year for a rook? What basis did he have a good year? He didn't.


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nerdmann
8 years ago

What you see as spamming and derailing is actually truth and points you can't refute. You want to play fantasies here. sschind posted his PFF grades...he was among the worst in the NFL per them. Somehow, per YOU, he had a GREAT season? HUH? He was BRUTAL. I saw NOTHING from him and I mean NOTHING that got me excited for his future only that he'll be another Andrew Quarless if he is ever his equal as a blocker.

Go reread you post... Yet when R. Rodgers has a good year for a rookie you are already calling him a wasted pick.

There is so much wrong with your MISstatement. He had a BRUTAL year number 1 and secondly I have NEVER called him a wasted pick. Where did I do that? I said he was unexciting and like any number of TE's who come in and out of this league. He's average. Nothing special. Somehow you have to go cuckoo over the truth and tell me how wrong I am but it's based on what? You saying he had a good year for a rook? What basis did he have a good year? He didn't.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



He had a far, far better rookie year than Finley. Does that mean he has potential to have a better second year as well?
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uffda udfa
8 years ago

He had a far, far better rookie year than Finley. Does that mean he has potential to have a better second year as well?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



First, let's actually look into what you're saying here... RR had a better first year than Finley? Really? It would be much more accurate saying Richard Rodgers got more opportunities than Finley did.

Rodgers appeared in all 16 games and started 5. Rodgers was targeted 30 times all season.

Finley appeared in 14 games and started 1. Finley was targeted 12 times all season.

One guy came out early and one guy didn't.

Potential...yes. Realistic...no. Finley had 55 receptions in his 2nd season. I doubt Rodgers gets too close to that.




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68md
8 years ago

.I saw NOTHING from him and I mean NOTHING that got me excited for his future only that he'll be another Andrew Quarless if he is ever his equal as a blocker.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Sigh .. you have to stop with this stuff.

Exhibit A and B: Rodgers 32 yard catch and run 

Runs a very nice route for 32... kills your lack of speed argument. Kills your I see nothing argument. Is he Finley ? No but at this time he's an above average serviceable TE that threatens the Redzone and the underbelly of zone defense when he plays.

Just once could we all not get our undies in a bundle because someone is stuck on a subject.


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Porforis
8 years ago
Likewise, can we possibly continue an otherwise semi-heated but reasonable debate without bringing fantasies involving trolls and panties into the equation? I know we're all adults here, but a little too adult if you ask me.
QCHuskerFan
8 years ago

Likewise, can we possibly continue an otherwise semi-heated but reasonable debate without bringing fantasies involving trolls and panties into the equation? I know we're all adults here, but a little too adult if you ask me.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Now I have an image of trolls in thongs in my head. That's just sick!
uffda udfa
8 years ago

Sigh .. you have to stop with this stuff.

Exhibit A and B: Rodgers 32 yard catch and run 

Runs a very nice route for 32... kills your lack of speed argument. Kills your I see nothing argument. Is he Finley ? No but at this time he's an above average serviceable TE that threatens the Redzone and the underbelly of zone defense when he plays.

Just once could we all not get our undies in a bundle because someone is stuck on a subject.

Originally Posted by: 68md 



I did want to ask how that clip showed RR had good speed? I would agree it showed he had speed but as a corrected paper of mine from elementary school reminds me...speed can imply slow, too. In the clip, he runs against air uncovered and then gets tackled pretty much immediately by someone who wasn't. In my objective honest opinion I don't know how that clip could be used as validation that he's plenty fast enough. I'm sure he has enough speed to play in the NFL, just it won't be an attribute that will help him become more than an average plodding TE> I hope he goes great guns but I don't see how.

EDIT: I didn't realize this guy only played 11 games at Cal. He had two TD's...one was a 75 yarder and some questioned his ability to be effective in the red zone. As for his speed, I thought our TE coach summed it up nicely from JSOline.com:

"Obviously not blazing speed," Fontenot said. "But he does some very good things with his footwork and he's efficient with his movement.

Went back and read various pieces on him...sounds like he can make some highlight reel catches but drops easy ones at times and has a limited catch radius to go with his lack of speed. I think we have Andrew Quarless II on this roster except this guy seems to be a bit smarter. He had a 22 wonderlic which is about average for a TE so he's not a genius as some might think because he went to Cal.
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