Packers have strong options to replace injured B.J. Raji

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9 years ago

Versatile Josh Boyd, rookie strongman Mike Pennel and ex-Viking Letroy Guion give the Packers a three-pronged plan at nose tackle.

JSOnline wrote:

There are some interesting quotes in the above piece from Sitton among others.

I enjoyed this little nugget:

"They've got Raji replaced," one personnel man said. "Boyd and Pennel play on the other side of the line of scrimmage. As the year goes along, I think it'll be Pennel. He's too big and too strong. Then they can put Boyd outside."

A personnel man is advocating for Pennel? He went on to say this:

"If you told me he was a third (round draft choice) and the other guy (Thornton) signed as a free agent, I'd say that was a pretty good pick in the third round," said one personnel man. "Thornton just stands there occupying a piece of ground. Pennel is big, plays tough and can play at the point of attack."

Whomever that was, he sure makes it sound so easy to replace Raji. Can the Pennel Kennel come through?

From the piece it doesn't sound as though Sitton thinks Boyd is a NT. He was diplomatic about it, but if he really thought Boyd was a nose, I think he would've said he thought Boyd could handle it. He isn't sure. Are any of us?

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

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texaspackerbacker
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9 years ago

That's a pretty negative take on it. You could just as well read it as it literally was said by Sitton - basically, Boyd would be adequate, but Pennel might be better - really something special. If you want to read something into it that isn't there, I prefer to think Sitton was just being diplomatic by not saying "both of them are a helluva lot better than Raji".

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musccy
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9 years ago

Aside from Guion who STILL isn't cleared, the Packers have 1 player on their DL roster with more than a year of NFL experience. How can anyone possibly consider this to be a "strong option?"

DarkaneRules
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9 years ago

They figure Boyd and Pennell taking the load inside. Latest projections have us keeping 5 DL and if Neal and Peppers spend some time on the ground is a 4-3 look then this makes sense.

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musccy
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9 years ago

... and if Neal and Peppers spend some time on the ground is a 4-3 look then this makes sense.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules

This is idea has been my lone source of comfort this offseason is that the Packers have up to 3 (if you include Perry) LBs with some DL experience.

I'm still petrified by the idea that D. Jones is one of our 3 most experienced healthy linemen on the depth chart.

nerdmann
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by: musccy

That's true, but they're all sub-300 lbs. Teams are gonna jam the ball down our throats at will, especially in short yardage.

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texaspackerbacker
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9 years ago

That's true, but they're all sub-300 lbs. Teams are gonna jam the ball down our throats at will, especially in short yardage.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

They won't be in for short yardage, and on regular downs, it's anything but automatic that an athletic sub-300 pounder - Peppers for example - gets beat by an O Lineman outweighing him by 40 or 50 pounds. I'd bet on Peppers to win one on one about 80% of the time.

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steveishere
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9 years ago

Yeah, why doesn't Clay Matthews get smashed against the run when he's only 255lbs? At a certain point it's more about your functional strength and your ability than it is about your weight. Obviously if you are 200lbs you aren't going to do well against a 320lb er no matter how good you are but 280-290 with good str and leverage... who cares. I cannot really think of many or any DL that consistently trot out 3 guys over 300lbs, I think that's a pretty abnormal thing to do in this league and I don't know why some are acting like you need that or you'll get run over.

DarkaneRules
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9 years ago

Fundamentals, Agility, and Disruption will always be more important than size. We had an incredibly heavy front line last year which turned in one of the worst run defenses we have ever seen.

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9 years ago

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