wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
10 years ago

What a great post on the subject. I believe much the same. We've seen our problem areas, and they've largely gone unaddressed since 2011, with the exception of adding a running game, mainly Lacy, a proficient RB. Our run blocking on the OL is still very suspect, as if little has changed.

Defensively, we've set all time records for poor play in one area or another since winning SB XLV. That is really bad.

Both Ted and Mike are ultimately responsible for the growth or lack thereof in their personnel, and both have a responsibility to see that area of this team is progressing at an optimal level. If it isn't, then those areas should be addressed. Mike McCarthy needs to handle the staff issues. DC, Strength & Conditioning, STs and OL coaching have all had major issues for the last 3 seasons. If Mike won't handle it, then the responsibility falls on Ted.

As fans, we are just seeing what is wrong with this team, and hoping for a fix.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



an argument can be made that Uncle Teddy lucked into getting Lacy by other teams letting him slip. The OL is suspect at run blocking even before EDS injury. Many of the yards Lacy got were after contact. He is a beast. It is a shame that his performance has dropped off with Aaron's injury. The line's inability to block may cost him the ROY.
UserPostedImage
steveishere
10 years ago

an argument can be made that Uncle Teddy lucked into getting Lacy by other teams letting him slip. The OL is suspect at run blocking even before EDS injury. Many of the yards Lacy got were after contact. He is a beast. It is a shame that his performance has dropped off with Aaron's injury. The line's inability to block may cost him the ROY.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Under that criteria every good draft pick is just luck.
steveishere
10 years ago

There are many reasons that I want Dom gone, but the biggest is because BJ Raji is not benched. BJ is noticeably dogging it out there and he is still playing. That kind of shit doesn't fly with me.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Yeah, I don't see how there would be any detriment between having Raji and having Datone or Boyd out there for more than 5-10 snaps. At least those 2 guys would try. If Raji just wants to coast until Free Agency let him do it on the bench.
play2win
10 years ago
I think Ted Thompson has made an awful lot of great draft picks. I just see our coaching staff doing little to develop them as NFL players, moreless top performers.

Figure, our top NFL performers developed under Mike McCarthy include:

Aaron Rodgers
Jordy Nelson
Josh Sitton
Randall Cobb
Clay Matthews
Tramon Williams
Sam Shields

That is pretty much it. 7 players. And, this team hangs it's hat on "draft & develop!" wow. And I believe listing 7 of those players as being pretty generous. That is just 13% of the roster. If this doesn't speak to some of our larger problems, then I don't know what does. Look at all the talent that is deemed "unavailable," or listed on our IR. Attrition is a big culprit. But, so is what I consider to be subpar coaching, at DC, STs, OL, Strength & Conditioning and ultimately HC, for letting that slide for 3 years without doing anything to address the issues.

I firmly believe better coaching would give us a far different read on our overall talent, and our chances for success in GB.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

I think Ted Thompson has made an awful lot of great draft picks. I just see our coaching staff doing little to develop them as NFL players, moreless top performers.

Figure, our top NFL performers developed under Mike McCarthy include:

Aaron Rodgers
Jordy Nelson
Josh Sitton
Randall Cobb
Clay Matthews
Tramon Williams
Sam Shields

That is pretty much it. 7 players. And, this team hangs it's hat on "draft & develop!" wow. And I believe listing 7 of those players as being pretty generous. That is just 13% of the roster. If this doesn't speak to some of our larger problems, then I don't know what does. Look at all the talent that is deemed "unavailable," or listed on our IR. Attrition is a big culprit. But, so is what I consider to be subpar coaching, at DC, STs, OL, Strength & Conditioning and ultimately HC, for letting that slide for 3 years without doing anything to address the issues.

I firmly believe better coaching would give us a far different read on our overall talent, and our chances for success in GB.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Greg Jennings?
Nick Collins?
Jermichael Finley?
Daryn Colledge?
Johnny Jolly?
Jerel Worthy?
James Jones?
B.J. Raji?
Mike Daniels?
T.J. Lang?
Morgan Burnett?
Eddie Lacy?
Brad Jones?
Bryan Bulaga?
Terrence Murphy was promising
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
10 years ago

I think Ted Thompson has made an awful lot of great draft picks. I just see our coaching staff doing little to develop them as NFL players, moreless top performers.

Figure, our top NFL performers developed under Mike McCarthy include:

Aaron Rodgers
Jordy Nelson
Josh Sitton
Randall Cobb
Clay Matthews
Tramon Williams
Sam Shields

That is pretty much it. 7 players. And, this team hangs it's hat on "draft & develop!" wow. And I believe listing 7 of those players as being pretty generous. That is just 13% of the roster. If this doesn't speak to some of our larger problems, then I don't know what does. Look at all the talent that is deemed "unavailable," or listed on our IR. Attrition is a big culprit. But, so is what I consider to be subpar coaching, at DC, STs, OL, Strength & Conditioning and ultimately HC, for letting that slide for 3 years without doing anything to address the issues.

I firmly believe better coaching would give us a far different read on our overall talent, and our chances for success in GB.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



So the question becomes: is Uncle Teddy going to make the hard call and hold Mike accountable for a "lack of institutional control" so to speak? It is his coaches that are failing to develop the players. I don't expect the HC or even the OC and DC to teach blocking fundamentals to the OL any more than I would expect them to teach a DB how to turn his hips and run with a receiver. That is what the position coaches job is. If they can't do it then someone else needs to be the position coach.
UserPostedImage
play2win
10 years ago

an argument can be made that Uncle Teddy lucked into getting Lacy by other teams letting him slip. The OL is suspect at run blocking even before EDS injury. Many of the yards Lacy got were after contact. He is a beast. It is a shame that his performance has dropped off with Aaron's injury. The line's inability to block may cost him the ROY.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Yeah, our OL has done Eddie Lacy no favors. The injuries have been overwhelming. I'm getting really sick of being one of the most injured teams in the NFL every season. And, the youngest.
play2win
10 years ago

Greg Jennings?
Nick Collins?
Jermichael Finley?
Daryn Colledge?
Johnny Jolly?
Jerel Worthy?
James Jones?
B.J. Raji?
Mike Daniels?
T.J. Lang?
Morgan Burnett?
Eddie Lacy?
Brad Jones?
Bryan Bulaga?
Terrence Murphy was promising

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



None of those players are top NFL performers. Collins was. Jennings was. Finley always had the potential. Is James Jones? I question that a bit. Raji? Daniels has potential. Lacy has potential.

My list could actually be paired down to Rodgers, Nelson, Sitton and Matthews. 4 of the NFL's best players at their positions. So, now we're talking 7.5%…

Daryn Colledge and Brad Jones flat out suck. Worthy, Raji, and Burnett are following close behind. Bulaga? Can't be great if you can't get out of the tub. James Jones and TJ Lang are good players who have done well for this team, but top NFL performers? Not sure about that.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

None of those players are top NFL performers. Collins was. Jennings was. Finley always had the potential. Is James Jones? I question that a bit. Raji? Daniels has potential. Lacy has potential.

My list could actually be paired down to Rodgers, Nelson, Sitton and Matthews. 4 of the NFL's best players at their positions. So, now we're talking 7.5%…

Daryn Colledge and Brad Jones flat out suck. Worthy, Raji, and Burnett are following close behind. Bulaga? Can't be great if you can't get out of the tub. James Jones and TJ Lang are good players who have done well for this team, but top NFL performers? Not sure about that.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



How many teams have more than four of the NFL's best at their positions?
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
10 years ago

Yeah, our OL has done Eddie Lacy no favors. The injuries have been overwhelming. I'm getting really sick of being one of the most injured teams in the NFL every season. And, the youngest.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I expect teams with old players to be more injury prone but a young team shouldn't be. I know you can't stretch enough to avoid broken bones. But there are a whole lot of other injuries on this team too.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (17h) : WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to Bills
Zero2Cool (17h) : Jets and Aaron Rodgers open up on Monday Night Football,
Zero2Cool (13-May) : $170 guaranteed. This might impact Jordan Love
Zero2Cool (13-May) : Lions are signing QB Jared Goff to a four-year, $212 million extension
Zero2Cool (13-May) : I know we moved on. That tidbit just makes me a touch happier.
Zero2Cool (13-May) : Sources spoke of many, many times last summer where Hackett called a play, then Rodgers changed it completely at the line
Martha Careful (10-May) : 1. this is true of all our linemen. 2. His run block is fine. 3. If all OL played like he has, we would win SB.
beast (10-May) : Meyers pass blocking is really good, his run blocking is really not.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : Packers have claimed DE Spencer Waege off of waivers from the 49ers and waived DT Rodney Mathews.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : And the OL protections seem to be good.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : I really don't know lol. I don't see him getting blown up.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : -3 buwahhhahaaha
Mucky Tundra (9-May) : 4th
Zero2Cool (9-May) : because he's 1st
Mucky Tundra (9-May) : Myers isn't even the 3rd best C on the roster atm
Martha Careful (9-May) : I am not sure I understand the Myers hate. He was consistently our third best lineman. RG and LT were worse.
beast (9-May) : Just saying I don't think moving Myers would help Myers.
beast (9-May) : Center is usually considered the easiest position physically if you can handle the snap stuff.
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : Bust it is then
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Context. Sounds like Myers won't be cross-trained. C or bust.
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : @BookOfEli_NFL Packers pass game coordinator, Jason Vrable said that Jayden Reed and Dontayvion Wicks shared a placed in Florida while train
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : For now...
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers go about evaluating their "best five," OL coach Luke Butkus makes on thing clear: "Josh Myers is our center."
beast (8-May) : Though I'm a bit surprised letting go of CBs, I thought we needed more not less
beast (8-May) : It was confusing with two DB Anthony Johnson anyways
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers actually had Ray Lewis on the phone.
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers wanted to draft Ray Lewis. Ravens stole him.
Martha Careful (6-May) : Happy 93rd Birthday to the Greatest Baseball Player of All-Time...Willie Mays
Zero2Cool (6-May) : Walter Stanely's son
buckeyepackfan (6-May) : and released CB Anthony Johnson and DL Deandre Johnson and waived/injured WR Thyrick Pitts (thigh-rick).
buckeyepackfan (6-May) : The Green Bay Packers have signed WR Julian Hicks, OL Lecitus Smith (luh-SEET-us) and WR Dimitri Stanley
Zero2Cool (6-May) : Petty, but it's annoying me how the NFL is making the schedule release an event.
Mucky Tundra (4-May) : @mattschneidman Matt LaFleur on how he tore his pec: “Got in a fight with the bench press. I lost.”
Zero2Cool (3-May) : Jordan Love CAN sign an extension as of today. Might tak weeks/months though
TheKanataThrilla (3-May) : Packers decline 5th year option for Stokes
Mucky Tundra (3-May) : @ProFootballTalk Jaylen Warren: Steelers' special teams coach has discussed Justin Fields returning kicks.
Zero2Cool (2-May) : Season officially ending tonight for Bucks ... sad face
Zero2Cool (2-May) : Giannis Antetokounmpo is listed as out for tonight's game.
dfosterf (2-May) : Surprisingly low initially is my guess cap wise, but gonna pay the piper after that
dfosterf (2-May) : The number on Love is going to be brutal.
Zero2Cool (2-May) : May 3rd. Extension day for Jordan Love. (soonest)
Zero2Cool (1-May) : USFL MVP QB Alex McGough moved to WR. So that's why no WR drafted!
earthquake (1-May) : Packers draft starters at safety ever few years. Collins, Clinton-Dix, Savage
beast (1-May) : Why can't the rookies be a day 1 starter? Especially when we grabbed 3 of them at the position
dfosterf (1-May) : Not going to be shocked if Gilmore goes to the Lions.
dfosterf (1-May) : I hear you dhazer, but my guess would be Gilmore Colts and Howard Vikings from what little has been reported.
Mucky Tundra (30-Apr) : S learn from McKinney who learns from Hafley who learns from the fans. Guaranteed Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (30-Apr) : could*
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Safeties should learn from Xavier.
dhazer (29-Apr) : And what about grabbing a Gilmore or Howard at CB ? Those are all Free Agents left
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Recent Topics
4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

13-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

13-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

12-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

11-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

9-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

7-May / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

7-May / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

5-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.