dfosterf
11 years ago
We have the discount double-check.

Get back to work, media/$$/houndassholes.

RaiderPride
11 years ago
WOW!

What a great thread.

I love reading this stuff. It is food for the mind.
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macbob
11 years ago

That's because we had big leads.

When you have the lead, as we did in most of 2011, you can run. We pretty much dominated most games in regular season last year.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Zombie-When we went through this discussion before, we had Packers stats going back to 1992 looking at the running game. 1st 3 quarters were basically equal in rush attempts, the 4th quarter there was a spike up--2 rushes on average more than the rush attempts in quarters 1-3. So yes, there was a spike up from having a lead and running it to run out the clock, but it was statistically insignificant. It was around a 3% spike.

We also had analysis of when the Packers were within 7 pts, either ahead, tied, or behind, and the #s were the same--the running percent was in the 40s. These were close games, not games when we were blowing out the opponent.

Go back and look at the threads. Next post will have the stats from last season.
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macbob
11 years ago

That's because we had big leads.

When you have the lead, as we did in most of 2011, you can run. We pretty much dominated most games in regular season last year.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



OK. 2011 regular season stats, source ESPN.com

Packers....Ahead by 9+...by 1-8...tied...down by 1-8...down by 9+
Pass........69..................199.....60.......111...........38
Run.........65.................131.....24........72...........14

...........+9............+ 1-8....Tied.....-1-8.........-9+
P/R %....51/49......60/40...71/29....60/40........73/27

Totals
within +/- 8 = 370/227 = 61/39%
overall = 537/330 = 61/39%

So, last year when we were 15-1 in the regular season and pretty much dominant in most games, when the games were close (within 😎 we basically maintained a 60/40% split.

I expected the spike up when behind by two scores, and the spike down when ahead by two scores.

Two things surprised me--McCarthy spiked up on Pass calls when we were tied, and he didn't when we were behind by 1-8. The down 1-8 percentage was the same as the up by 1-8 percentage. In any event, feel free to keep calling for a 60/40% pass/run split. I'm good with that, too, Zombie.
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play2win
11 years ago
macbob, our numbers look nothing like that this year. That's for sure. Had they been more balanced, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, standing at 3-0 or 2-1.

I think we are around 70-30 so far this season. Take away the Bear game, and we're more like 80-20.

The bigger point in all of this, and I tried making a case for this around draft time, is that teams have had plenty of time to figure us out. No more back shoulder throws for big gains because their DBs are sitting on those. Safeties over the top. Pass rush full on, knowing we are not going to run.

All the more reason for the team offensive philosophy to shift, become more run oriented, and force the change on the opponent as opposed to the inverse. Many teams loaded pass rush in their front 7s. Those are faster, yet lighter players who tend to wear out when they get continually pounded on having to fight off run blocking.

This year, we ought to be forcing the run on any team we meet. Improve upon it in all phases. That will open up all the other great pass plays we have in our arsenal. All of those great plays won't work as effectively if we don't run. Pretty simple stuff.
nyrpack
11 years ago
comes down to our o- line, have not been doing the job for several yrs. now !!
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Packfan87
11 years ago
I love what Benson's doing for us, but every time he touches the ball I hold my breathe for a fumble. Maybe that's not fair, but we can't have turnovers especially from our ground game.
PackerTraxx
11 years ago

comes down to our o- line, have not been doing the job for several yrs. now !!

Originally Posted by: nyrpack 



...since the Super Bowl.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
macbob
11 years ago

This year, we ought to be forcing the run on any team we meet. Improve upon it in all phases. That will open up all the other great pass plays we have in our arsenal. All of those great plays won't work as effectively if we don't run. Pretty simple stuff.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Agreed. Don't be one dimensional. At the same time, as Zombie points out, the rules have been adjusted to favor the passing game. We'd be foolish not to exploit that.

I don't want to see us become a run-oriented team, I would just like a little more balance in the attack than we've shown this year (last year was great). Looking at the WCO of the 49ers in their heyday, and the Packers of the 90s, they both averaged around a Pass/Run ration of 58%/42%.

A more-balanced attack helps our passing game by slowing down the pass rush as the DL has to account for a possible running play; tiring the DLine, improving our Offense all around later in the game; forcing the LB/DBs to honor the run threat of a play-action pass, helping our WRs get open easier, etc.


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zombieslayer
11 years ago

OK. 2011 regular season stats, source ESPN.com

Packers....Ahead by 9+...by 1-8...tied...down by 1-8...down by 9+
Pass........69..................199.....60.......111...........38
Run.........65.................131.....24........72...........14

...........+9............+ 1-8....Tied.....-1-8.........-9+
P/R %....51/49......60/40...71/29....60/40........73/27

Totals
within +/- 8 = 370/227 = 61/39%
overall = 537/330 = 61/39%

So, last year when we were 15-1 in the regular season and pretty much dominant in most games, when the games were close (within 😎 we basically maintained a 60/40% split.

I expected the spike up when behind by two scores, and the spike down when ahead by two scores.

Two things surprised me--McCarthy spiked up on Pass calls when we were tied, and he didn't when we were behind by 1-8. The down 1-8 percentage was the same as the up by 1-8 percentage. In any event, feel free to keep calling for a 60/40% pass/run split. I'm good with that, too, Zombie.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



Agreed. That looks about right.

61/39 is good when you have the OL. We may have to go 55/45 with this joke of an OL.

2011 OL for some reason was lightyears ahead of 2012's.
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