evad04
14 years ago
I won't deny our defensive struggles, but there were 3 key turnovers in that game that led to points. Those weren't in the gameplan.

Had we played better defense and maybe had a few calls go our way, we win an exciting game. But take away two uncharacteristic early turnovers (that led to points) and the final play in overtime and it's a different ball game.

Give us a crack at Arizona TOMORROW and I think we win that game. I think we're the better team.

Maybe another offseason in the 3-4 will help us against those damn veteran QBs!
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TheEngineer
14 years ago

i think today's saints/cards match-up just proved what many of us suspected after last week's game - if we would have blitzed more and gotten real pressure on warner he wouldn't have been able to tear us apart so easily. I really wish i could find the source but i remember reading somewhere that capers blitzed somewhere in the area of 5% of the time.

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I forget where I heard this (pretty sure it was during the wild card game), but during one telecast the analyst said that when the quarterback shows he can get rid of the ball and find an open receiver, then Capers decides to blitz even less (which to me personally is almost playing into the QB's hand). It happened during both games against Minnesota and during the wild card game.

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This seems pretty accurate and what we don''t need is a defense that gets worse against critical opponents.

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It's the right idea. It's better to blitz 3 and not get to the QB than to blitz 6 and not get to the QB. The problem is that we suck in coverage.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago



Honestly I would of cared less about losing to the saints (they are a good football team). We deserved that win vs the cards.

Im still a bit sad we lost but I am at peace with things ...

Go PACK!

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I'm at peace with things too because that game against the Cards showed our D is not ready for prime time. Imagine how embarrassed we would have been against either the Colts, Vikings, or Saints, all of whom have considerably better Os than the Cards.

So if we couldn't stop the Cards' O...

A few offseason changes and keeping the same O, we can be an elite team next year. As I've been saying, 2009 = 1995. :thumbright:
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porky88
14 years ago

I don't buy this. The Cards had 15 other weeks of film footage to study. It's not like suddenly, the Packers are going to do things they've never done before.

By the Playoffs, your cards have been shown. It's all about execution. Our O executed. Our D didn't.

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I heard Tony Dungy say after that game that the Cardinals have a good chance of beating the Packers now that they have the last game on film. He talked about how the Cardinals could learn from the film.

I thought no way does GB use the same gameplan, but now it's clear that they pretty much did. Warner was not expecting anything different and he said as much. Capers didn't give him anything different. That to me is being out coached and out prepared.

There is a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball, but not 51 points worth.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
If that was so, don't you think they would have been able to stop our O? They couldn't. We just kept scoring and scoring after those initial miscues.

Our problem is not that they had our game plan, it's our D is not elite. Look how we fared against the Cards, the Vikings (twice), and the Steelers. Our D beats up on mediocre teams, but against Playoff teams (Steelers were a Playoff caliber team), they get slapped silly.
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ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

I won't deny our defensive struggles, but there were 3 key turnovers in that game that led to points. Those weren't in the gameplan.

Had we played better defense and maybe had a few calls go our way, we win an exciting game. But take away two uncharacteristic early turnovers (that led to points) and the final play in overtime and it's a different ball game.

Give us a crack at Arizona TOMORROW and I think we win that game. I think we're the better team.

Maybe another offseason in the 3-4 will help us against those damn veteran QBs!

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The only thing that helps against those damn veteran QBs, IMO, is pressure. Give 'em a little time and they'll carve any team up, especially if that team's running zone coverage - smack 'em around and they become really average, really quickly. The Pack is a couple personnel pieces away on D from being able to get consistent pressure on the QB w/out having to rely on the blitz to get that pressure. If they can keep their current DL personnel and Raji progresses as expected, they're pretty much one rush LB away from being able to generate good, consistent pressure from the front 7. Add a good safety in the defensive backfield and they should be able to execute anything Capers comes up with.

Someone mentioned reading that the biggest improvement from year one to two in the 3-4 comes in pressuring the QB - if that's true, and if those personnel pieces can be added, I don't see why anyone would be anything but optimistic about the future of this defense.
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warhawk
14 years ago

I won't deny our defensive struggles, but there were 3 key turnovers in that game that led to points. Those weren't in the gameplan.

Had we played better defense and maybe had a few calls go our way, we win an exciting game. But take away two uncharacteristic early turnovers (that led to points) and the final play in overtime and it's a different ball game.

Give us a crack at Arizona TOMORROW and I think we win that game. I think we're the better team.

Maybe another offseason in the 3-4 will help us against those damn veteran QBs!

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




The only thing that helps against those damn veteran QBs, IMO, is pressure. Give 'em a little time and they'll carve any team up, especially if that team's running zone coverage - smack 'em around and they become really average, really quickly. The Pack is a couple personnel pieces away on D from being able to get consistent pressure on the QB w/out having to rely on the blitz to get that pressure. If they can keep their current DL personnel and Raji progresses as expected, they're pretty much one rush LB away from being able to generate good, consistent pressure from the front 7. Add a good safety in the defensive backfield and they should be able to execute anything Capers comes up with.

Someone mentioned reading that the biggest improvement from year one to two in the 3-4 comes in pressuring the QB - if that's true, and if those personnel pieces can be added, I don't see why anyone would be anything but optimistic about the future of this defense.

"evad04" wrote:



Bingo. It comes down to execution and the bottom line is Warner could say what he said because he was rarely put on the ground. This has been THE problem when we have a game like this. No pressure.

I agree Raji will add to this next season but I also think we need to get a better pressure guy from our left side if they are not going to keep Kampman.

Pressure from the inside and the defenses left side is key because the QB SEE'S that pressure. If it comes from the inside the QB cannot step up and if it's coming from his right he has to react and move.

We did not get consistant pressure from our ILB's when they rushed nor did we get it from Jones and I think we are just that far away from being an elite football team.
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bozz_2006
14 years ago
Capers has, in the past and up to last week, been of the mindset that you rush a bad QB and you defend a good QB. This season, that philosophy did not work against the good QBs. I fully think he's a good enough coach to examine his philosophy this offseason.
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porky88
14 years ago

If that was so, don't you think they would have been able to stop our O? They couldn't. We just kept scoring and scoring after those initial miscues.

Our problem is not that they had our game plan, it's our D is not elite. Look how we fared against the Cards, the Vikings (twice), and the Steelers. Our D beats up on mediocre teams, but against Playoff teams (Steelers were a Playoff caliber team), they get slapped silly.

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McCarthy probably had something different. They went outside the hashes a lot on their completions. They didn't do that as much in the first contest.
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14 years ago
I truly believe that the mistake was the type of coverage and execution in the defensive backfield against Warner. He is experienced enough to chew up zone blitzes all day long. I thought we would have stood a better chance if we pressed the receivers more and tried to jump on his quicker routes. I thought I saw the Saints doing a good deal of this against them. We simply didn't have the rhythm of their offense down, and it killed us. We had two weeks to prepare and we looked like we had no grasp of the Arizona passing offense.
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