Are you saying one of the players should have noticed this during the play or pre-snap? And what if two realize it and move over? I don't think that's the right approach. This was one of those cases where there is 8 seconds left and they have no timeouts left and you should play soft.

What's frustrating from my view is when it's third and 4 our defensive backs are 8 yards back. That is when you press and get in their face, not when they need 39 yards for a touchdown with 8 seconds left.

I don't know who it is. There has to be some young up an comer who can scheme LB's into the QB's face. What the Buccaneers have is what I want and I hate they got it and we don't.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

... How exactly is too many men on the field on D the fault of Mike Pettine? Last I checked, Pettine's job is to make and relay the play call, with position coaches relaying the information to their players on who should be subbing in/out. If the suggestion is that Mike Pettine is getting the playcall in too late, then please link me that article/post (because, in such a scenario, Pettine certainly does deserve blame for 12 men on the field calls); but blindly placing all issues at the feet of Mike is not good insight.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 

Why wouldn't it be Pettines fault? Isn't he ultimately responsible for everything on the defense (good and bad)? Isn't he responsible for the position coaches under his authority? This isn't the first time they've had trouble getting guys on and off the field this season on defense.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 

By that logic, blame the head coach, who delegates defensive duties to Pettine (and I'll note it was reported that LaFleur, not Pettine, was responsible for filling the DB-coach vacancy last year with Jerry Gray). I'll take your argument to it's logical extreme: let's blame Mark Murphy since both LaFleur and Gutey - the two guys responsible for collection and training of the defensive staff/players - report to him. An absence of evidence that Pettine is relaying calls late or Pettine has final say on personnel subbing during games does not itself serve as evidence that gameday subbing/logistical issues deserve to be put at the feet of Pettine.

I'm not saying Pettine isn't at fault (like I noted before, some of his play calls were baffling and seemingly without any consideration of down-distance-time remaining) - but to blame him blindly for every issue on D isn't right either. I'll point out we've seen on the offensive side of the ball delayed relaying of calls/getting lined up that leads to wasting timeouts to avoid a delay of game - this suggests there may be a broader game ops issue that LaFleur needs to sort out beyond just the defensive side of the ball.

Either way, 12-men on the field penalties shouldn't be disproportionately weighted when assessing if Pettine should be the DC of the team (assuming LaFleur wants him back and Pettine is willing to renew his contract).

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 

Matt is still highly valuable on offense.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Put ANYONE else in! They couldn’t do any worse then King did.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Two years in a row, the same team that beat us in the regular season knocked us out in the playoffs. Coincidence? I doubt it.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey