longtimefan
15 years ago
Saw this on the espn boards and normally do not pay any really attentiuon to the noodle that posted it, but it gives a little more beef to last year and this year



Last year the Packer opponents were a combined 98-110. In fact, the Packers only played 4 winning teams. Of those teams, 2 were on losing streaks when they played. As for the others, they beat the Redskins and lost to Dallas. 7 of the teams they played had a losing record. They faced a team with a losing record 9 times.

This year the Packer opponents were a combined 110-98. The Packers played 8 teams with a winning record and only 3 had a losing record. They faced a team with a losing record 4 times and a team with a winning record 10 times.

This year the Jet opponents were a combined 91-116. In fact, the Jets only played 4 teams with a winning record. 7 of the teams they played had a losing record. They faced a team with a losing record 8 times and a team with a winning record 6 times.




Something I have not heard was schedule from last year to this and this sort of makes sense too
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I posted these exact stats in another thread on this forum, but I am too lazy to do a search at the moment. But yes, it is an eye opener.
UserPostedImage
Rockmolder
15 years ago
It might be somewhat of an eye-opener, but you don't just go to 13-3.

We got close to beating Dallas, we shut-out Minnesota, We beat Washington, we beat Philly... We even beat the Seahawks in the play-offs by quite a margin and we came close to beating the SB champion NYG while they where already on their hot streak.

I know where this thread is going, but I'm going to blame this on the decline of the O-line and D-line. Where our D-line was our absolute strength on defense last year, it's the biggest liability this year and the O-line is obviously declining. Quarterbacking was very good in both cases.
longtimefan
15 years ago

It might be somewhat of an eye-opener, but you don't just go to 13-3.

We got close to beating Dallas, we shut-out Minnesota, We beat Washington, we beat Philly... We even beat the Seahawks in the play-offs by quite a margin and we came close to beating the SB champion NYG while they where already on their hot streak.

I know where this thread is going, but I'm going to blame this on the decline of the O-line and D-line. Where our D-line was our absolute strength on defense last year, it's the biggest liability this year and the O-line is obviously declining. Quarterbacking was very good in both cases.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Not what I was intending..

there are many factors to this past season, and this happens to be a valid one I think

Harder schedule this year compared to that of last year
Rockmolder
15 years ago

It might be somewhat of an eye-opener, but you don't just go to 13-3.

We got close to beating Dallas, we shut-out Minnesota, We beat Washington, we beat Philly... We even beat the Seahawks in the play-offs by quite a margin and we came close to beating the SB champion NYG while they where already on their hot streak.

I know where this thread is going, but I'm going to blame this on the decline of the O-line and D-line. Where our D-line was our absolute strength on defense last year, it's the biggest liability this year and the O-line is obviously declining. Quarterbacking was very good in both cases.

"longtimefan" wrote:



Not what I was intending..

there are many factors to this past season, and this happens to be a valid one I think

Harder schedule this year compared to that of last year

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Oh, I didn't mean it like that, I think you just want to put down a thread looking at where it went wrong between this years and this is indeed a pretty good reason.... all the threads seem to have the same outcome though, which I'm also adding to now.

Lets just try to keep this one on topic and keep going.
longtimefan
15 years ago
Common opponents

Vikings 2-0 in 07
1-1 in 08

Bears 0-2 in 07
1-1 in 08

Lions 2-0 in 07
2-0 in 08


Cowboys both L

Seattle both W

Carolina 1-1

so for those 9 games last year they went 6-3

This year they went 5-4 in those 9 games
Greg C.
15 years ago
More than half of the difference in opponents' records between 2007 and 2008 can be accounted for by the Packers themselves. Take away the Packers' 13-3 record last year and you can see that opponents were 95-97 against the rest of the league. Take away the Packers' 6-10 record this year and you can see that opponents were 100-92 against the rest of the league. That's only a five-game difference. Significant but not huge.

All the stuff about opponents with winning records vs. opponents with losing records is just statistical manipulation, because it makes no distinction, for example, between a 7-9 team and an 0-16 team. The combined win-loss record of all opponents is the number that really matters.

I do agree that the schedule was tougher this year, but I think it was a relatively minor factor in the disappointing season.
blank
longtimefan
15 years ago
while it might be the minimal factor, I believe it is a factor..

There are a ton of teams that make the CG one year, then the following year they miss playoffs.

I did a break down of those teams a few weeks back, and out of around 10 of them, only ONE had any change at q/b and most had same key parts

So for those teams that did not have to deal with any key losses they still ended up like the packers...and the one key element was the strength of the teams they played
Greg C.
15 years ago

while it might be the minimal factor, I believe it is a factor..

There are a ton of teams that make the CG one year, then the following year they miss playoffs.

I did a break down of those teams a few weeks back, and out of around 10 of them, only ONE had any change at q/b and most had same key parts

So for those teams that did not have to deal with any key losses they still ended up like the packers...and the one key element was the strength of the teams they played

"longtimefan" wrote:



What about injuries? I would expect that to be a much bigger factor than strength of schedule. I think luck is a big factor as well, although sometimes it is taboo to admit it. And there are a lot of intangibles, like whether a team develops good chemistry. It seems to vary a lot from year to year, even when there aren't a lot of personnel changes. A team might win most of its close games on year, then lose most of them the next year. And often you can't put your finger on why things changed.

I do think the Packers could be a contender again next year without too many roster changes. Things just went sour for them this year.
blank
longtimefan
15 years ago



So for those teams that did not have to deal with any key losses

"Greg C." wrote:



What about injuries? .

"longtimefan" wrote:



You mean key losses?

LOL

From what i recall I looked at the q/b rb,wr and defense stats from year they made it to the next year when they missed.

those all remained the same cept for Vikc when he broke his leg.

but I thought we couldnt use injuries for an excuse this year?
Fan Shout
Martha Careful (10-May) : 1. this is true of all our linemen. 2. His run block is fine. 3. If all OL played like he has, we would win SB.
beast (10-May) : Meyers pass blocking is really good, his run blocking is really not.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : Packers have claimed DE Spencer Waege off of waivers from the 49ers and waived DT Rodney Mathews.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : And the OL protections seem to be good.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : I really don't know lol. I don't see him getting blown up.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : -3 buwahhhahaaha
Mucky Tundra (9-May) : 4th
Zero2Cool (9-May) : because he's 1st
Mucky Tundra (9-May) : Myers isn't even the 3rd best C on the roster atm
Martha Careful (9-May) : I am not sure I understand the Myers hate. He was consistently our third best lineman. RG and LT were worse.
beast (9-May) : Just saying I don't think moving Myers would help Myers.
beast (9-May) : Center is usually considered the easiest position physically if you can handle the snap stuff.
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : Bust it is then
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Context. Sounds like Myers won't be cross-trained. C or bust.
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : @BookOfEli_NFL Packers pass game coordinator, Jason Vrable said that Jayden Reed and Dontayvion Wicks shared a placed in Florida while train
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : For now...
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers go about evaluating their "best five," OL coach Luke Butkus makes on thing clear: "Josh Myers is our center."
beast (8-May) : Though I'm a bit surprised letting go of CBs, I thought we needed more not less
beast (8-May) : It was confusing with two DB Anthony Johnson anyways
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers actually had Ray Lewis on the phone.
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers wanted to draft Ray Lewis. Ravens stole him.
Martha Careful (6-May) : Happy 93rd Birthday to the Greatest Baseball Player of All-Time...Willie Mays
Zero2Cool (6-May) : Walter Stanely's son
buckeyepackfan (6-May) : and released CB Anthony Johnson and DL Deandre Johnson and waived/injured WR Thyrick Pitts (thigh-rick).
buckeyepackfan (6-May) : The Green Bay Packers have signed WR Julian Hicks, OL Lecitus Smith (luh-SEET-us) and WR Dimitri Stanley
Zero2Cool (6-May) : Petty, but it's annoying me how the NFL is making the schedule release an event.
Mucky Tundra (4-May) : @mattschneidman Matt LaFleur on how he tore his pec: “Got in a fight with the bench press. I lost.”
Zero2Cool (3-May) : Jordan Love CAN sign an extension as of today. Might tak weeks/months though
TheKanataThrilla (3-May) : Packers decline 5th year option for Stokes
Mucky Tundra (3-May) : @ProFootballTalk Jaylen Warren: Steelers' special teams coach has discussed Justin Fields returning kicks.
Zero2Cool (2-May) : Season officially ending tonight for Bucks ... sad face
Zero2Cool (2-May) : Giannis Antetokounmpo is listed as out for tonight's game.
dfosterf (2-May) : Surprisingly low initially is my guess cap wise, but gonna pay the piper after that
dfosterf (2-May) : The number on Love is going to be brutal.
Zero2Cool (2-May) : May 3rd. Extension day for Jordan Love. (soonest)
Zero2Cool (1-May) : USFL MVP QB Alex McGough moved to WR. So that's why no WR drafted!
earthquake (1-May) : Packers draft starters at safety ever few years. Collins, Clinton-Dix, Savage
beast (1-May) : Why can't the rookies be a day 1 starter? Especially when we grabbed 3 of them at the position
dfosterf (1-May) : Not going to be shocked if Gilmore goes to the Lions.
dfosterf (1-May) : I hear you dhazer, but my guess would be Gilmore Colts and Howard Vikings from what little has been reported.
Mucky Tundra (30-Apr) : S learn from McKinney who learns from Hafley who learns from the fans. Guaranteed Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (30-Apr) : could*
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Safeties should learn from Xavier.
dhazer (29-Apr) : And what about grabbing a Gilmore or Howard at CB ? Those are all Free Agents left
dhazer (29-Apr) : out of curiosity do they try and sign Simmons or Hyde to let these young safeties learn from, they can't be day 1 starters.
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : I miss having Sam Shields.
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Not that he's making excuses, just pointing it out
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : That's for dang sure. Make our erratic kicker have no excuse!
packerfanoutwest (28-Apr) : having a great long snapper is gold
Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : LaFleur looking like he had some weight. Coachin will do that lol
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

9-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

7-May / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

7-May / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

5-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / beast

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.