Mucky Tundra
10 years ago

A look at the snap counts from the Green Bay Packers' 44-31 win over the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday:

Offense (76 total plays)

Quarterback: Aaron Rodgers 76.

Offensive line: David Bakhtiari 76, Don Barclay 76, Evan Dietrich-Smith 76, T.J. Lang 76, Josh Sitton 76, Marshall Newhouse 5, Lane Taylor 1.

Receivers: Jordy Nelson 68, Jarrett Boykin 66, Myles White 58.

Running backs: Eddie Lacy 62, John Kuhn 29, James Starks 11.

Tight ends: Andrew Quarless 52, Brandon Bostick 26, Jake Stoneburner 2.

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Interesting that Bostick got so many snaps and didn't get that involved.
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10 years ago

Coach Mike McCarthy used seven offensive linemen, adding Taylor and Newhouse as extra blockers, plus Bostick and Quarless, and Lacy still was stuffed for no gain.



When I first saw the play I was sure it was a 2-3 yard loss. If he was a no gain he really had to bust his chops to get back to the line.

Interesting how much Hawk's play has improved after they sat his butt for the whole game back in 2011.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

When I first saw the play I was sure it was a 2-3 yard loss. If he was a no gain he really had to bust his chops to get back to the line.

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Don't get me wrong, there's a LOT to be happy about with the Packers in this game and in general, but I absolutely hated this play. It typifies the plight of our O Line. The only way they can do anything good is by hitting the opponent by surprise. If they basically man up and go toe to toe, there's just no way. That weakness manifests itself in pass blocking also - with Aaron Rodgers constantly pressured.

Thus, a pass-first attack is still absolutely the way to go - NOT wasting early downs with runs, just letting Rodgers hit them repeatedly, then handing it to Lacy for change of pace runs.

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10 years ago

Don't get me wrong, there's a LOT to be happy about with the Packers in this game and in general, but I absolutely hated this play. It typifies the plight of our O Line. The only way they can do anything good is by hitting the opponent by surprise. If they basically man up and go toe to toe, there's just no way. That weakness manifests itself in pass blocking also - with Aaron Rodgers constantly pressured.

Thus, a pass-first attack is still absolutely the way to go - NOT wasting early downs with runs, just letting Rodgers hit them repeatedly, then handing it to Lacy for change of pace runs.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Last I saw the Packers were the top team in average yards gained on 1st down. I say they keep doing what they are doing on early downs.
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Last I saw the Packers were the top team in average yards gained on 1st down. I say they keep doing what they are doing on early downs.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Sunday night they got very little on first down runs.

edit- I went back and looked at the first down run plays.
In the first half GB ran the ball on first down 10 times. 5 times they got very little or nothing. (2 yards are less.)
In the 2nd half it seems like MN gave up as GB had a lot of big runs on their first series but then very little after that. Overall in the second half they had 11 first down runs. (I am ignoring the 1 yard td and Aaron kneeling to run out the clock.) 5 of the runs were little or nothing. As I said the first series for GB in the second looked like MN quit as they gave up 4 of the 6 big first down runs.
First half
4
-5
1
-1
7
5
7
17
1
-2
……
Second half
9
11
9
7
8
1 TD
-1
2
11
2
-1
-4
-1 (Rodgers knees)

passes:

First half
18
4
4
5
…
Second half
15
Sack -1
7

The sack was the only time GB had little or no passing. Everything was a decent gain of some kind.
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steveishere
10 years ago

Sunday night they got very little on first down runs.

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Averaging 5.5 a pop on 1st downs isn't very little. Anyways my point is they've done a good job of mixing things up this year and not being predictable and It seems to be working. I see no reason to focus more on passing than they have been recently.
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10 years ago

Averaging 5.5 a pop on 1st downs isn't very little. Anyways my point is they've done a good job of mixing things up this year and not being predictable and It seems to be working. I see no reason to focus more on passing than they have been recently.

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You cut out over half my quote. Look at all the plays where they got little or nothing. And they played MN. If they do that against a quality team they would not be able to march down field like they did despite losing yards on first down. They had a lot more success passing than running on first down.

GB averaged 3.4 per run on first down in the first half. It jumped to 4.8 in the second half most of that coming on the first series of the 3rd quarter.

Passing average was 7.4 for the game.
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10 years ago
True, we weren't hopeless on first down runs, but that average was helped some by the first drive of the second half. Also, beyond first down, we had a lot of misguided (IMO) runs on second down, after short first down gains, which left the Packers tough third down plays - handled extremely well against the Vikings, but still a situation that wouldn't have been necessary with more first down and second down passing.

A win is a win is a win, and I suppose I'm getting too picky, but I still would rather see more of a pass first attack, and use Lacy as a change of pace - kinda like our run game the past couple of seasons, just with more effectiveness, thanks to having Lacy. As the game went on, it seemed like Mike McCarthy came to that conclusion and passed more on early downs too.
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10 years ago

You cut out over half my quote. Look at all the plays where they got little or nothing. And they played MN. If they do that against a quality team they would not be able to march down field like they did despite losing yards on first down. They had a lot more success passing than running on first down.

GB averaged 3.4 per run on first down in the first half. It jumped to 4.8 in the second half most of that coming on the first series of the 3rd quarter.

Passing average was 7.4 for the game.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Based on what? They have overall been very successful on first down running this year despite facing some quality teams. I dont see where what theyve been doing is any sort of detriment. Should they just pass every down because thats what they are best at? Minnesota defense was obviously gassed in the 2nd half, gbs offense kicked their ass and I thought they had a great scheme for the game
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Based on what? They have overall been very successful on first down running this year despite facing some quality teams. I dont see where what theyve been doing is any sort of detriment. Should they just pass every down because thats what they are best at? Minnesota defense was obviously gassed in the 2nd half, gbs offense kicked their ass and I thought they had a great scheme for the game

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Absolutely not.

Of their 30 first downs they ran the ball 23 times (Including Rodgers kneel) That is 77% (I rounded so sue me.) Just a few more passes on first down would probably make the running game more effect. A few 4-6 yard passes and running on 2nd would most likely be more effective.

In the first half- before MN was either gassed or simply quit GB runs only generated a 3.4 average. That is adequate but barely. Half of the runs were either losses or only a yard or two. That is not effective. Do you think that they could consistently get first downs against a SF or Seattle team if they were looking at 2nd and 14 or 15? I am sure they can do it some of the time but not on a consistent basis.

For the record I don't mind it at all that they ran the ball 42 times. (Of course 6 of them were Rodgers so they really don't count.) They should have a little more balance on first down is all I am saying. It would make the run even more effective that it was.
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