Zero2Cool
2 months ago

I certainly have... as I think most would be saying it like that to imply it to be like that. (Though you and your way of thinking aren't like most people).

But in your way of talking about it, I'd go bigger and say that the Packers have been better with Red. Gordon "Red" Batty is in his 30th season as equipment manager of the Green Bay Packers.  Packers have been a hell lot better with Red as equipment manager.

Originally Posted by: beast 


Yeah, I'm saying better with Kraft, definitely not solely because of Kraft. More on the lines of Kraft being the TE forced the team to play offense differently. Which is subsequently "better".
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beast
2 months ago

Yeah, I'm saying better with Kraft, definitely not solely because of Kraft. More on the lines of Kraft being the TE forced the team to play offense differently. Which is subsequently "better".

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I don't believe the Kraft/Musgrave switch is much of a factor in them playing differently.

I think the WRs finally started understanding what the scheme/coaches/QB were looking for, which allowed them to play faster, smarter and more confident and allowed the QB to do the same.

Which they seemed to suggest this was due to their Tuesday meetings which Love recently started after the loss to the Vikings.

Also, the OL getting healthy, and some of them playing better than they ever have. I believe Jenkins and Walker are currently in the best pass blocking stretch of their careers, and Myers in the best run blocking of his career. And Tom has faced some of the best pass rushers in the NFL and usually has come out average against them which is great considering they usually make OTs look bad. Which just leaves Runyan as the only one not having a career great stretch of any kind.

I strongly doubt losing Musgrave, and playing Kraft had anything to do with any of this.

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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
The uptick is likely more related to the WR and QB getting together on Tuesdays. And they're learning what the QB wants, what the QB expects and kicking ass. It's almost like communication is valuable.
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2 months ago
Zero2Cool wrote

Yeah, I'm saying better with Kraft, definitely not solely because of Kraft. More on the lines of Kraft being the TE forced the team to play offense differently. Which is subsequently "better".

In addition perhaps, there is a possibility, albeit a REMOTE possibility, that opposing defenses respect the run more with Kraft, which forces another man in the box. Maybe they don't look at the PFF rankings. If so, that in an of itself would open up the passing game.

Update: I just got the opportunity to listen to McGinn and Dunn talk about Kraft's blocking in glowing terms at about the 9:00 minute mark of their podcast.

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2 months ago

In addition perhaps, there is a possibility, albeit a REMOTE possibility, that opposing defenses respect the run more with Kraft, which forces another man in the box. Maybe they don't look at the PFF rankings. If so, that in an of itself would open up the passing game.

Update: I just got the opportunity to listen to McGinn and Dunn talk about Kraft's blocking in glowing terms at about the 9:00 minute mark of their podcast.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 

Marty, you are a smart cookie!!! Even MLF agrees with you!!!

But I think a lot of things you guys don’t always see, just how much growth he’s had in the run game, as well, as a blocker has been evident.



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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Gotta like hearing this.


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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Maybe I was on to something after all.

The statistics for Jordan Love while play action pass is pretty damn good. And the play action works better when the running game is better. And Tucker Kraft is a better run blocker than Luke Musgrave. 🤔
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2 months ago

Maybe I was on to something after all.

The statistics for Jordan Love while play action pass is pretty damn good. And the play action works better when the running game is better. And Tucker Kraft is a better run blocker than Luke Musgrave. 🤔

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Of course you were onto something....you typically have excellent and thought provoking posts

Have you ever thought about hosting a website?

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earthquake
2 months ago
Whether it's better with or because of I have no idea (too many variables for me to keep track of), but boy I do look forward to two TE sets with Musgrave and Kraft now that they both seem to be becoming more comfortable with and effective in the offense.
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beast
2 months ago
No, better with Watson
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