Zero2Cool
14 years ago
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/102675289.html 

Green Bay When we last saw the secondary of the Green Bay Packers, they were trying to put out the fire on their collective backs after being torched by Arizona's Kurt Warner for 379 passing yards and five touchdowns in a 51-45 overtime loss in an NFC wild-card playoff game.

Three weeks prior, in the last meaningful matchup of the regular season, the Packers surrendered 503 yards and three touchdowns through the air to Ben Roethlisberger and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

That's a combined 882 yards and eight touchdowns in two important games.

To put that into perspective, if you picked the best two games of Aaron Rodgers' Pro Bowl season, you'd still come out more that two 80-yard drives short (718 yards and six touchdowns).

So as the Packers get set to embark on a 2010 season with super expectations, the big question is, are they any better in the secondary?

Reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year Charles Woodson and Pro Bowl safety Nick Collins return. They are at the height of their respective careers.

Outside of them, the Packers are as much of an unknown commodity as there is.

Cornerback Tramon Williams has 20 starts under his belt, but this is the first time he enters a season as a full-time starter. He's athletic, physical and figures to be improved.

He has continued, however, to show a tendency to be physical at the wrong times, which led him to finish second in the NFL in pass interference yardage (124 yards on six plays in only 10 starts last season).

And in his last extended playing time of the exhibition season, Williams had by his own admission the worst performance as a Packer against the Indianapolis Colts.

"This last game was a poor game for him," cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt said. "It was really un-Tramon-like, but I'm glad we got it out of the way. He can't perform at that level, and he understands that.

"He's never had a game with that type of stuff happening. Some of it, you don't even know. But I have total confidence in him and he's going to play at a high level. We're lucky to have Tramon, and he's going to play well."

When you look at what's behind Williams with Al Harris not available until at least Week 7, it's no wonder the Packers look at Williams as the golden goose.

Nickel back may be the position with the greatest question mark on the entire roster. And since the Packers use their sub packages about 65% of the time, it's basically a starting position.

Against the Cardinals, Jarrett Bush was the nickel and Brandon Underwood played dime corner.

The Packers figured to be better at nickel this year as Underwood entered camp with a season of experience, and Pat Lee was finally able to stay off injured reserve.

But things didn't work out as planned.

Underwood and Lee were so poor in the preseason that Sam Shields, an undrafted free agent who played only one year of defense at the University of Miami, entered the equation.

Once Underwood reinjured a troublesome left shoulder against the Colts, and Lee failed to demonstrate a play level anywhere close to his second-round draft status in the 2008 draft, the job fell into Shields' lap.

While McCarthy said this week, "I expect our defense to improve, no different than the way I expect our whole football (team) to improve," he didn't say the same about his nickel position.

"We haven't played a game yet," McCarthy said. "We haven't had an opportunity really to line up our whole defense.

"I like the way our sub packages look on paper. I like the way they've looked going through training camp, and we'll have the first opportunity to do it live in the regular season."

If anybody knows what Shields will be going through, it's Williams. After the undrafted free agent spent a season on the practice squad of the Houston Texans, he was pressed into service for one play in his first game as a Packer - against the same Eagles in the 2007 season opener at Lambeau Field.

"I was thrown in there and got beat for a 37-yard catch," Williams said. "It's just a learning experience once you get in there. But Shields is in there from day one as the nickel, so he's expecting to go out and play the whole game pretty much.

"I think he's going to be focused and ready to go. I have confidence in him."

The Packers will start another rookie, third-round pick Morgan Burnett, at safety. He's obviously inexperienced, but Burnett didn't make many big errors in the exhibitions.

He's likely an upgrade over a gimpy Atari Bigby (ankle) and journeyman Matt Giordano, the two players who were on the field against the Cardinals.

There are certainly easier matchups for a young secondary to start with. While Eagles quarterback Kevin Kolb is in his first year as the full-time starter, he's got more weapons to work with than arguably any team east of Green Bay.

DeSean Jackson became the first player in NFL history to garner a Pro Bowl spot at two positions (receiver and return specialist), and his eight touchdowns of 50 yards or more tied a league mark.

Receivers Jeremy Maclin, who tied a rookie NFL record with 146 yards against the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs, and Jason Avant (41 catches), along with tight end Brent Celek (76 catches, eight touchdowns) and running back LeSean McCoy can also pressure the best of defenses.

Collins, who will be doing a lot of covering up for the younger players, said his teammates are ready for the challenge.

"They're young guys but they have the confidence to go out there and withstand anything that's in front of them," he said. "We've got veteran guys that are going to be out there with them, to help guide them and if they need help, we're there for them.

"(I like) the way they carry themselves. They are young guys that understand the game.

"They listen, they take coaching very well, so with that, we have no worries about them. They are going to go out there and do their jobs, play their roles."


UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
beast (1h) : Merry Christmas 🎄🎁
beast (9h) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game
packerfanoutwest (14h) : both games Watson missed, Packers won
Martha Careful (15h) : I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas!
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???
Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : dammit. 3:25pm
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Yeah baby!
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I literally just said it.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5h / GameDay Threads / bboystyle

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

11h / Random Babble / beast

17h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

23-Dec / Random Babble / Martha Careful

22-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

19-Dec / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

18-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

17-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

17-Dec / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.