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FloridaPacker88
14 years ago
I can see Finley pulling a holdout assuming A) he puts up similar stats to the 2nd part of last year, 😎 We have a season next year.

Just seems like the type of guy to do so. All the talent in the world but not so sure about the head on his shoulders.

But concerning the comments, Chewy hasn't been relevant in anyform of football for over 10 years, I guess he's got to make his mark somehow. It's kind of like the pot calling the kettle black though, a guy that got busted with a minor calling someone ELSE a moron?
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

a guy that got busted with a minor

"FloridaPacker88" wrote:



Repeat after me.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.
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FloridaPacker88
14 years ago

a guy that got busted with a minor

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Repeat after me.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

"FloridaPacker88" wrote:



Doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot for being a married man and hanging out at a high school party and behaving inappropriately with a minor, thus my point is valid.

Chmura=MORON regardless of what the legal system exonerated.
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Gravedigga
14 years ago

I am on Finley's side here. Chmura had no business calling him a moron. He could have said it more nicely. For instance: He's a great player, but he shouldn't be saying thins like that in front of a national audience." Never should have said moron.

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Chewy should stick to what he knows best. Preying on the children of Green Bay.
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Gravedigga
14 years ago

a guy that got busted with a minor

"FloridaPacker88" wrote:



Repeat after me.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot for being a married man and hanging out at a high school party and behaving inappropriately with a minor, thus my point is valid.

Chmura=MORON regardless of what the legal system exonerated.

"FloridaPacker88" wrote:



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kmeyer
14 years ago

a guy that got busted with a minor

"FloridaPacker88" wrote:



Repeat after me.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot for being a married man and hanging out at a high school party and behaving inappropriately with a minor, thus my point is valid.

Chmura=MORON regardless of what the legal system exonerated.

"FloridaPacker88" wrote:



/agreed

He bought his exhoneration!

Plus he admitted to partying with underage girls in a hot tub either way. He is undefendable and a complete loser of a person......
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peteralan71
14 years ago

a guy that got busted with a minor

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Repeat after me.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

He. Was. Exonerated. On. All. Counts.

"FloridaPacker88" wrote:



Repeat after me.

So. Was. OJ.

So. Was. OJ.

So. Was. OJ.

So. Was. OJ.


However, this is a 'lets talk GBP' thread, so I'm not here to talk about that. Anybody who thinks that confidence isthe end all be all, take a look at TO or Chad Ochofucko. And now those two are playing together. What a circus. Confidence can be a silent strength as well. KNOWING that you and your team will succeed is different than yelling it out to everybody that can hear. Secondly, Chmura needs to keep his damn mouth shut. What does he think is going to happen when he goes on the radio and says that the new TE is a moron? Again, SILENTLY thinking that would be a lot better than debuting it to the public. They both are amazing athletes and have/will continue to do great things for the Packers, but I think that they are both in the wrong here, and they should lay off the testosterone energy drinks.
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Wade
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14 years ago

Conviction is not subject to the whim of moral indignation.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



But association is.

I agree with almost everything you said in this post, Rourke. (I fear liberals as much as I fear conservatives, but that's another debate for another day.)

However, while moral indignation should not decide criminal conviction, it can -- and arguably should -- shape our associations. If we believe person X is a scumbag, should we associate with that person? Perhaps not. Should we give less credence to said scumbag's moral judgments or personal opinions? Perhaps.

Do I think Chmura a scumbag because of his spending time in a hottub with underage girls. No. Do I think his doing so exhibited very bad judgment? Certainly. If I had a teenage girl, would I invite that Mark Chmura to a party for said girl? No.

Do I think he was guilty of the legal charges against him? I defer to the jury. I didn't have the facts. What pieces of the story I had came through journalistic reports and rumor and press releases. On the legal question, I consider all of those worse than a courtroom constrained by the rules of evidence and criminal procedure. The law is an ass, but deciding legal culpability via the court of public opinion and today's non-journalism is far worse.

Do I care what Mark Chmura says about anything? No. But not because of what he did or did not do on the night people always talk about. Combined with his acquittal, I'm tempted to consider it a case of bad judgment by someone under 30.

As someone who has been guilty of exceedingly bad judgment more than once, I'm hardly in a position to judge others in that respect. (Though my own bad judgments with teenage girls happened when I was a teenager, I've had no shortage of other kinds of bad judgments, including ones with possible moral impliations, as an adult.)

Because Chmura to me seems to fit the stereotrype of an ex-jock politician pretty well. Because he strikes me as a hack. I don't really consider him particularly immoral (except insofar as I consider all politicians immoral), but I also see no reason to pay attention to what he says.

Seriously, why should anyone care what Mark Chmura says about anything other than, perhaps, how to play TE? What has he done that gives him credibility to anyone who thinks?

IMO Chmura has the importance of Paris Hilton. Or Susan Sarandon.

Which is to say, not much.
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Pack93z
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14 years ago
Split off the Chmura vs Finley thread.. to carry the discussion out further.

Yes he was acquitted on the charges... more or less because of the lack of physical evidence.. but several items remain..

1) He was playing drinking games at 2am with a drinking buddy and a bunch of teens. Admitted fact by Mark.

2) He was in a hot tub with teenagers in the early am with nothing more then underwear worn by all parties. Admitted in court by Mark.

3) He was in a downstairs bathroom alone with a 17 year old girl.. testified by his drinking buddy, Mark and the accuser.

4) The events in the bathroom were completely he vs she in word.. as no DNA evidence was collected as well as no physical evidence. This because the emphasis of the defense.. and it prevailed. Hence why no statutory rage charges were brought.. no evidence.

5) There was talk of a previous babysitter becoming impregnated by Mark.. however the babysitter declined to name the father and brought no charges.

6) Mark refused to go to the White House because of the Clinton affair.. based on morality issue with Clinton directly.

Sum all parts together.. and it paints a ugly picture of Chmura and whether or not acquitted there are still some admitted actions unbecoming of a responsible moral adult.
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Cheesey
14 years ago
I agree. At the very least he is guilty of VERY poor decision making.
AND of being a hypocrite.
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