Rockmolder
14 years ago

I love how we can stick a fork in LT already.

Was he washed up his rookie year when he only ran for 3.6 yard a carry? Or 04' when he can for 3.9 a carry?

No, instead he embarked on a MVP year in 06'...

I think it is important to keep in mind that LT decline started when Norv took over the team.. and started to shift from a power running team to a balanced WC type offense.. one in which they utilized a weapon in open space more in Spores..

Do I think LT is a featured back at this point? No.

Do I think LT could help a team that already has a back in place but needs some depth. Yes I do.

And I personally think LT would be a dynamite back in a shared role.

Concerns I would have before signing LT would be...

Contract demands..

and more importantly does he understand he is a #2 and not become an issue because he is a 2.

If I have doubts about either.. it is a no go.

But color me as a person that has little doubt that LT would help a ball club if the above conditions were right.

"pack93z" wrote:



Nearly every single elite RB takes the same arc of decline.

Emmitt Smith - Had a very mediocre last year with the Cowboys. Then, with the Cardinals, he had an awfull 2.8 ypc in his first year and a very mediocre 3.5 the next. He just looked done. A random rookie would've done better.

Shaun Alexander - Had an 1800 yard season, but hit the wall hard after that. He didn't have another 1000 yard season, had one season with a 3.6 average, the next he dropped to 3.5. Got signed by the Skins and had a whopping 11 attempts for 2.2 ypc.

O.J. Simpson - Had a 1500 yard, 5.2 YPC season, but followed it up with a 557 yard, 4.4 YPC season. The Bills saw his decline coming and got rid of him. He rushed for 600 and 450 yards the next two season, getting a 3.7 and 3.8 average yards per carry, respectively.

Jim Taylor - Even our own legendary RB hit the wall hard. He went from a 1169 yards, 5.0 YPC season straigth to a 730 yard, 3.5 YPC season. He had another mediocre season and then finished it off with the Saints, rushing for 390 yards and compiling a 3.0 average.

Curtis Martin - Had a 1697 yard season in 2004 and went to a 735 season in 2005. His YPC dropped from 4.6 to 3.3. He did the smart thing and retired in 2007, after missing the entire 2006 due to injuries.

These are all guys who didn't go out on top. They kept their careers going as long as they could, even while they where far from their former form.

If we pick him up, he'll be to us what Alexander was to the Redskins. What OJ was to the 49ers. What Taylor was to the Saints. Any random rookie could've done about just as much as those guys.

And it's not just a statisical thing. Watch some Chargers games from last years. The only thing he still does is plunge into the end-zone. Apart from that, he looked pretty bad.
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14 years ago
And I would counter with a Thomas Jones type career..

In 07 he looked to have hit the "wall" as you put it.. he looked tired and wore down.

Yet he comes back and has a career year two years later.. and he is a year older than LT.

Listen, I am not clamoring to sign LT. I merely posted the start of this thread because Banks tied us to a SB contender.. and I like hearing it.. lol.

But I am not sold that LT is done merely on one year and getting ushered out of the offensive scheme.

Do I expect him to come back and have a 1500 yard year again.. no.. but I expect him to pick up some carries, add some catches and some short yardage conversions to help a team out. Yes... Yes I do.. and it probably will make a difference.

Don't undersell the third and short or goal line value of a player.

Want a better comparison if you are going back in time.. Marcus Allen and what he brought to the chiefs well after he was considered done and Davis sold him out.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

And I would counter with a Thomas Jones type career..

In 07 he looked to have hit the "wall" as you put it.. he looked tired and wore down.

Yet he comes back and has a career year two years later.. and he is a year older than LT.

Listen, I am not clamoring to sign LT. I merely posted the start of this thread because Banks tied us to a SB contender.. and I like hearing it.. lol.

But I am not sold that LT is done mere on one year and getting ushered out of the offensive scheme.

Do I expect him to come back and have a 1500 yard year again.. no.. but I expect him to pick up some carries, add some catches and some short yardage conversions to help a team out.

Don't undersell the third and short or goal line value of a player.

Want a better comparison if you are going back in time.. Marcus Allen and what he brought to the chiefs well after he was considered done and Davis sold him out.

"pack93z" wrote:



Marcus Allen's story is pretty miraclous. Can't say anything else.

As to Thomas Jones. He had the season in 2007 that LDT had in 2008. The small drop in production. Heck, even Grant had just that in 2008. When that happens you give the guy another chance.

Thomas Jones came back strong and rushed for 1300 yards with 4.5 YPC. Grant came back strong with 1250 yards and 4.4 YPC. LDT dropped even further with 730 yards and 3.3 YPC.

And Grant is a power runner. You'd expect him to pick up that first down on short yardage. Maybe even let Kuhn carry the ball. I'm still figuring out why we put Ahman Green in there in those situations, tbh. If that's really what we're looking for, we can get it in a later round. Maybe even resign DeShawn Wynn.
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14 years ago
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14 years ago
Al Davis was trying to keep Marcus Allen out of the HoF. Kept him on the bench.
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