coltonja
14 years ago
I'm not very well informed about the salary cap possibly ending in the NFL. What I do know is that I do not want to see the NFL become the same setup as the MLB. Major league baseball has a horrendus set up for small teams much like the Packers(Cheesey's post here ) really made me think about it.

Can someone infrom me, and perhaps others that don't have knowledge on this subject? And for those that do that state your opinion of the cap, or lack-thereof, on the NFL as a whole.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago
NFL life could be changing  

By Greg A. Bedard

After Sunday's games, there will be five weeks left in the season.

And possibly the National Football League as it's currently constituted.

As most everyone is well aware, next season is scheduled to be a year with no salary cap. When the owners decided last year to opt out of the collective bargaining agreement a year early - after the draft in 2011 instead of 2012 - it triggered a provision in the CBA that enacted an uncapped year in the final year of the deal, now the 2010 league year.

So right now the train is on the tracks and it's rolling toward an uncapped year starting in March.

But will it be the Armageddon for the smaller-market teams that many think it will be?

The thought of an uncapped year with the Jerry Joneses, Daniel Snyders and Robert Krafts of the league roaming the free-agent landscape is enough to keep fans in several markets awake at night.

But rest (somewhat) easy for the time being. There are rules in place to keep that from happening - to an extent. We'll explain some of those rules.

But first, the biggest question is, will it get that far? There are three months before "The Uncapped Year" commences.

Something can get done, right?

It can, but it won't.

While there have been ongoing talks between the league and the players association, not much has come from them. And when the union proposed that both sides meet in January for extensive talks with a self-imposed deadline to hammer out a deal before March, the league said, "Thanks, but no thanks."

According to several sources, the union believes the owners have no interest in extending the current deal beyond 2010.

The players believe the owners will use the uncapped year to fund their teams well below the minimum salary cap, believed to be around $108 million. The salary cap is currently $128 million.

Once the owners save millions in '10, they will lock the players out in '11 in order to get a much better deal for themselves in the next CBA.

That is what the union, behind closed doors, believes.

Of course, they could totally be misreading the owners. They're about as open a book as their private financial books have been to the union. Which is to say, completely closed.

Regardless of what happens in '11 and beyond, there will be football next season - unless the union violates the CBA and strikes. So here's a look at some of the rules in place to keep some teams from buying up all the available talent. It's Article XIX of the CBA, and it's titled, "The Final Eight Plan."

Yes, it sounds like something the Bowl Championship Series should adopt. In actuality, it's something that restricts the best teams in '09 - the final eight teams left in the playoffs - from going rogue on the free-agent market:

The four teams that make the league championship games can't sign an unrestricted free agent unless and until they lose one of equal or more value;

The four teams that lost in the divisional round can sign one high-priced unrestricted free agent (price undetermined yet) without having to lose one of their own. Once that maximum exception is burned, they are restricted like the top four teams in terms of big-ticket free agents. And they can also sign as many mid-level free agents as they want (price undetermined).

Starting on the first day of the first NFL training camp, any team - even those in the final eight - can sign an unrestricted free agent, provided his former club didn't tender him by June 1. This likely will be crucial for injured Packers linebacker Aaron Kampman. If he doesn't sign in the normal free-agency period and the Packers don't tender him by June 1, he'll be free to sign with any team once training camps start. If the Packers tender him in May, Kampman will only be able to negotiate with the Packers once camps start.

The minimum service time needed to become an unrestricted free agent goes from four to six years. This hits a player like Packers safety Nick Collins, who is finishing his fifth season, hard. Normally he would be an unrestricted free agent after this season. Teams have one additional tag in order to retain players that are due to be free agents. Before '10, teams could use either a franchise (two first-round picks as compensation) or transition tag (right to match). In '10, teams can use one of each. Teams that finish in the final eight can sign those players, just like other teams.

And, finally, while there will be no salary cap, there won't be a salary floor, either. And it is believed that the veteran's minimum salaries will go way down.

So while the league's long-term future and the likely uncapped year sound a bit scary, it's not going to be the end-all and be-all of the league - yet.

Packers_Finland
14 years ago
There is no salary cap next year for sure, but the new CBA could make a new cap to be put in place in 2011.

Or that's at least what I know with my very limited knowledge.
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Cheesey
14 years ago
I'm hoping if there is no cap, that they will only let that be for a year or 2 at the most.
Baseball is an example of how small market teams (Milwaukee) consistantly get screwed out of good players because teams like the Yankees buy championships.
If the NFL goes that way long term, we are screwed.
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coltonja
14 years ago
Thanks a lot, Rockmolder. That is a lot to rap your head around. IMO, it still does not sound good even for 1 year. I can't stand the thought of the Cowboys becoming the NFL's Yankees even with those stipulations.
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Formo
14 years ago

I'm hoping if there is no cap, that they will only let that be for a year or 2 at the most.
Baseball is an example of how small market teams (Milwaukee) consistantly get screwed out of good players because teams like the Yankees buy championships.
If the NFL goes that way long term, we are screwed.

"Cheesey" wrote:



I'll find the list, but if I remember correctly, the Brewers are actually a middle of the road team when it comes to total salary paid.
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Formo
14 years ago

I'm hoping if there is no cap, that they will only let that be for a year or 2 at the most.
Baseball is an example of how small market teams (Milwaukee) consistantly get screwed out of good players because teams like the Yankees buy championships.
If the NFL goes that way long term, we are screwed.

"Formo" wrote:



I'll find the list, but if I remember correctly, the Brewers are actually a middle of the road team when it comes to total salary paid.

"Cheesey" wrote:



Ok, here it is..

Team 2008 payroll 2009 payroll
Yankees $209,081,577 $201,449,189
Mets $137,793,376 $149,373,987
Cubs $118,345,833 $134,809,000
Red Sox $133,390,035 $121,745,999
Tigers $137,685,196 $115,085,145
Angels $119,216,333 $113,709,000
Phillies $98,269,880 $113,004,046
Astros $88,930,414 $102,996,414
Dodgers $118,588,536 $100,414,592
Mariners $117,666,482 $98,904,166
Braves $102,365,683 $96,726,166
White Sox $121,189,332 $96,068,500
Giants $76,594,500 $82,616,450
Indians $78,970,066 $81,579,166
Blue Jays $97,793,900 $80,538,300
Brewers $80,937,499 $80,182,502
Cardinals $99,624,449 $77,605,109
Rockies $68,655,500 $75,201,000
Reds $74,117,695 $73,558,500
Diamondbacks $66,202,712 $73,516,666
Royals $58,245,500 $70,519,333
Rangers $67,712,326 $68,178,798
Orioles $67,196,246 $67,101,666
Twins $56,932,766 $65,299,266
Rays $43,820,597 $63,313,034
Athletics $47,967,126 $62,310,000
Nationals $54,961,000 $60,328,000
Pirates $48,689,783 $48,693,000
Padres $73,677,616 $43,734,200
Marlins $21,811,500 $36,834,000
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coltonja
14 years ago
ok I didn't want to get that in depth with the MLB
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dfosterf
14 years ago

ok I didn't want to get that in depth with the MLB

"coltonja" wrote:



NFL 2008 Team Payrolls: (Not cap figure, actual payroll) Source shaky, but looks accurate 

Oakland Raiders $ 152,389,371
Dallas Cowboys $ 146,401,600
Minnesota Vikings $ 133,354,045
Cleveland Browns $ 131,916,300
New Orleans Saints $ 131,531,820
Pittsburgh Steelers $ 128,815,061
Tennessee Titans $ 126,017,443
Arizona Cardinals $ 122,110,110
Jacksonville Jaguars $ 122,109,207
Chicago Bears $ 120,065,819
San Francisco 49ers $ 118,766,239
New York Jets $ 116,910,097
St. Louis Rams $ 116,677,660
New York Giants $ 115,816,180
Miami Dolphins $ 114,649,660
Buffalo Bills $ 113,364,927
Carolina Panthers $ 112,114,711
Washington Redskins $ 111,963,684
San Diego Chargers $ 111,813,340
Cincinnati Bengals $ 109,727,880
Philadelphia Eagles $ 109,557,398
Houston Texans $ 108,445,418
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $ 104,329,311
Seattle Seahawks $ 102,985,710
Atlanta Falcons $ 96,391,525
Detroit Lions $ 95,827,117
Denver Broncos $ 95,599,778
Green Bay Packers $ 94,018,300
Indianapolis Colts $ 93,373,915
New England Patriots $ 92,734,120
Baltimore Ravens $ 90,713,965
Kansas City Chiefs $ 83,623,776
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Weird, I think the minimum is 118 million and it appears were 22 below that. I should notify the Packers I'm willing to eat up that other 22 million so they hit the floor without a penalty. After all, anything to help the Packers.
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