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Pack93z
15 years ago

This Defense was definately more aggressive, no doubt about it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091116/PKR01/311160144/1058/After-further-review--Breaking-down-tape-of-the-win-over-the-Cowboys 

With Dallas all but abandoning the run, Capers sent five or more rushers on 18 of 47 snaps (38.3 percent) and a blitz pattern with one of seven inside linebackers or defensive backs on 28 snaps (59.6 percent). Perhaps the most surprisingly effective blitzer was dime CB Jarrett Bush, who came five times and had two pressures, one of them off a nifty spin against Choice.

"evad04" wrote:



Not exactly sure why it took Capers so long to bring out the aggressive gameplan but I hope to God he sticks with it. I mean just think about, I would say that during the CIN and both MIN games, this Defense was everything but aggressive. It seemed like we stayed back in coverage more often then sending 3 or 4 guys at the QB, clearly that killed us.

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Part of the explanation is in the first sentence from that Press-Gazette snippet. The Cowboys inexplicably abandoned the run. They had a few successful runs very early in the game. After we shut it down a little bit they just abandoned it. Don't expect San Francisco to do the same -- they'll lean on the run against Green Bay. They like to run the ball, play good defense and keep it close. I think there's a way to be a pressure run-stopping defense -- but note that Capers [successful] approach to AP involved less blitzing (and huge games from Favre, unfortunately).

If we can be good on first and second down against the run on Sunday then I'd hope we're aggressive on some third downs. Just call a smart game. We even got pressure on a few four-man pass rushes against the 'Girls. Guys just have to show up and make some plays.



Good luck getting through on this argument..

Dj vu... been here on this discussion.. if you nonstop blitz you create natural running lanes by disrupting the balance of the defense. In the Viking games, Capers blatantly took away the run by keeping the Backers at their depth until they read pass, then they dropped into coverages.. run first, then defend the pass.

If you wait to read the run, then blitz you are going to be late to the party.. Capers scheme dictated to the Vikes, beat us through the air.. not grind us on the ground.

The Cowboys by their alignment assisted Capers in dialing up the pressure.. it is adjusting to what the offense is doing and can potentially do.

It is clear to me, Capers has more confidence in the pass defense of this team than the ability of the front seven to stay in their pass rush lanes to close off run with pass blitzes called.. With the three corners we put on the field.. I agree if you let them press. Part of that lack of confidence IMO is the limited rotation depth that we currently have on the defensive line.. talented 4 guys.. but beyond those four.. we take a step down..

IMO, with guys like AP, Barber and maybe Gore this weekend, you take that threat away from the team.. if you don't you will find your defense getting worn down late in game to finish.

Goes back to the defense stuffing the run thread.. a truly special defense can focus on one aspect of the offense take it away and still be effective in the other phases.. where we are hamstrung a little is rotational depth on the d line, linebackers up to last week that were a little undisciplined in their blitz lanes, and the ability to create pressure without multiple backer blitzes or DB blitzes.

Overall, I think we are a solid defense that is getting better at the scheme and is a few players away from being special. Right now, we have to compensate from some of our weaknesses, and that is focus on the run first, frustrate the offense and get them into a passing mode then bring pressure.
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warhawk
15 years ago
We will obviously be in the run stop mode more because the 49'rs are going to keep pounding it. A staple for any offense on the road is to try and establish a run game.

What I hope for is we score some points while shutting down their run and push them to throw the ball. Once we know they have to go to the air more because they are behind we can get after the QB.

I would like to see 10 points for the Pack in the first quarter. It would be nice to do something in the first part of the game for a change. The 49'rs are not going to do a lot of anything major as long as they are in the game. Especially since they have been turnover prone.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Could we feasibly go eight in the box to stop the run and have Woodson shadow Davis?

I don't think Crabtree and Bruce can beat Harris and Williams with Alex Smith at the helm.
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Yerko
15 years ago
Main thing is going to be stopping Gore. The Packers stopped Peterson pretty much in both games (better running back, better offensive line) so I don't see Frank Gore being much of a threat (since the Vikings have a duel threat and the Niners only have Gore).
Another thing is Vernon Davis. This guy was stopped by the struggling Bears defense. I don't think we will have an issue with him.
I believe the Packers have someone that can match-up with Crabtree.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

Could we feasibly go eight in the box to stop the run and have Woodson shadow Davis?

I don't think Crabtree and Bruce can beat Harris and Williams with Alex Smith at the helm.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Yes. Stop Gore and make Smith do something.

The OC and Smith have pretty bad chemistry. He doesn't know how to use Smith at all. It's like one of those dates where when she's not looking, you make a quick glance at your watch.
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nerdmann
15 years ago

This Defense was definately more aggressive, no doubt about it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091116/PKR01/311160144/1058/After-further-review--Breaking-down-tape-of-the-win-over-the-Cowboys 

With Dallas all but abandoning the run, Capers sent five or more rushers on 18 of 47 snaps (38.3 percent) and a blitz pattern with one of seven inside linebackers or defensive backs on 28 snaps (59.6 percent). Perhaps the most surprisingly effective blitzer was dime CB Jarrett Bush, who came five times and had two pressures, one of them off a nifty spin against Choice.

"packfan4" wrote:



Not exactly sure why it took Capers so long to bring out the aggressive gameplan but I hope to God he sticks with it. I mean just think about, I would say that during the CIN and both MIN games, this Defense was everything but aggressive. It seemed like we stayed back in coverage more often then sending 3 or 4 guys at the QB, clearly that killed us.




Might be that he's able to do much more without having to compensate for kampman's deficiencies.
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nyrpack
15 years ago
please go with the same dee scheme used against dallas !!
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Silentio
15 years ago


Capers had the "politically correct" response to the media. Harris is telling the truth.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I don't know if he was being "politically correct," I think he was hedging. I mean, it's his job to disguise coverage and create confusion, why would it be any different when he's talking to the media?
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LambeauEast
15 years ago
Not to mention the fact that the Cowboys had NO healthy linemen.

Stop the run and force Smith to beat us...like takin' candy from a baby!
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British
15 years ago

A staple for any offense on the road is to try and establish a run game.

"warhawk" wrote:



As a relative newbie could someone explain why is it more important to get a running game going when you're on the road?
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