Zero2Cool
15 years ago
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Whenever you use the word ''survivor'' to describe a professional football player's career, the NFL synonym for survivor is usually "journeyman.'' That would apply to Ross Tucker who "survived'' seven years in the league as an offensive lineman.[img_r]http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/0/bb/b77/0bbb77e0-cd24-11de-9338-001cc4c002e0.preview-300.jpg?_dc=1257766557[/img_r]

Tucker's journey took him from the Washington Redskins to the Dallas Cowboys to the Buffalo Bills to the New England Pats and back to the Skins. A neck injury ended his career prematurely in 2007. He wound up playing in 42 games, starting 24.

Meanwhile, Tucker's college degree -- he's a Princeton man -- has helped pave a path in broadcasting (Sirius radio) and journalism (SI.com). Tucker's candidness is a big asset, too, as a TV color anaylst on cable networks. He doesn't pull any punches.

That was the case recently when Tucker questioned the "poor coaching and game-planning'' by the Packers in their loss to Brett Favre and the Minnesota Vikings at Lambeau Field.

"Keep in mind, I don't make these kinds of statements lightly,'' Tucker wrote in his SI.com column. "In fact, I very rarely blame coaches when a team loses because, as a player, I never wanted to dole out too much credit to coaches when we won.

"I firmly believe pro football is ultimately a players game. But there are instances when a coaching staff does not do a good job of putting its team in a position to win ...

"I like Mike McCarthy and those on his staff. I've worked with many of them during my time in the league, but they were exposed in a major way (in the second Minnesota loss).''

Concluded Tucker, who has been critical of Favre, "I'm not saying the Vikings players aren't better than the Packers players. What is indisputable, at least based upon this season, is the Vikings coaches have the upper hand against their counterparts in Green Bay.''

It makes you wonder whether McCarthy is more overmatched as a head coach than Ted Thompson is as a general manager.

From the very beginning, Thompson has been a lightning rod for second-guessing in Green Bay largely because of his disconnect with Favre and unwillingness to improve the product through free agency. His drafts have also come under more and more scrutiny.

Although he exudes little confidence, warmth or conviction, Thompson's lack of personality and/or communication skills should not be an indictment of his ability to do his job. Bill Belichick, after all, is the biggest tool in the NFL. But he produces as a coach.

That leads us to McCarthy, who has been given the benefit of doubt in Green Bay because it has been easier to blame Thompson for Favre, the O-line, Justin Harrell, global warming, health care, etc. Until now, Thompson has overshadowed McCarthy.

Sunday's loss was totally on McCarthy and his coaching staff. Yes, the players have to shoulder the blame for not executing. That's a cliche, a given. But we're seeing the same breakdowns on offense, the same breakdowns on special teams (where's Mike Stock when you need a scapegoat?), and the same breakdowns on defense.

That's the only way you can breakdown what happened. And that covers all facets of the game. And that's on McCarthy, the playcaller on offense. And that's on Dom Capers, the playcaller on defense. The Tampa Bay Bucs were winless. The Green Bay Packers were witless. Winless no more. Witless4ever?

During the offseason, McCarthy fired virtually every assistant coach on defense. It was obviously somebody else's fault, not his. But that didn't fix the problems. On the contrary, new ones have emerged, (including the parody of dropping Aaron Kampman into coverage.)

So, how do you fix the offensive line?

Better personnel.

Better coaching.

So, how do you fix the Packers?

See above.


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Rockmolder
15 years ago
Trade Kampman away. Trade up to another 2nd.

1st round - OT Charles Brown
2nd round - OT Gabe Carimi
2nd round - OG Mike Johnson

Bam. We won't have any pass rush at all, but our O-line problems will be fixed. Or at least, should be fixed.

Anyway, McCarthy isn't getting the benefit of the doubt anymore over here. Lol.
15 years ago
trade one of our best Defensive players just for the sake of the 3-4? a scheme which hasn't brought SHIT to our game? fuck that. this 3-4 system is a fucking joke. how many sacks do we have? how much real pressure have we brought? interceptions compared to last year? coverage blown?

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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shield4life
15 years ago
1st round pick please a pick a HB that's going to destroy the Vikings defense ... someone like ---> ,,, AP
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

trade one of our best Defensive players just for the sake of the 3-4? a scheme which hasn't brought SHIT to our game? fuck that. this 3-4 system is a fucking joke. how many sacks do we have? how much real pressure have we brought? interceptions compared to last year? coverage blown?

"TwinkieGorilla" wrote:



The 3-4 is NOT a joke. Our execution of it is. Big difference.

I agree with you now about Kampy. Earlier, I considered trading him but now I'm thinking how stupid that would be. A perennial Pro Bowler (won't be this year) who is not utilized correctly.

I really think that on 3rd down, we switch to 4-3. Kampy needs to be on that line.

Back to the article...

The Tampa Bay Bucs were winless. The Green Bay Packers were witless.



Yes, this is on MM, as the writer stated. There is NO excuse to lose to the Bucs. We should have beaten them by double digits. They're the Bucs. They suck. They got a rookie QB who made us look silly. Our STs were asleep at the wheel. We allowed how many sacks against the Bucs?

I also agree with the author that Mike McCarthy is more at fault than TT. Besides the OL and the failed Bustin experiment, Ted Thompson has been better than average. Mike McCarthy has been worse than average and I hate to say it, has only had one good year but that was due to a certain player having an MVP season (overshadowed by the best season EVER by a QB) and not due to Mike McCarthy being a genius.

I simply can't get over this loss to the Bucs. The other losses this season I'm already over, but this one, I'm having trouble with. They seriously are a pathetic team. Mike McCarthy looked lost out there, and allowed it to happen. He really needs to be on a short leash.

It's not because of the lack of talent. We've got a slew of Pro Bowlers on this team and two players who are near Pro Bowl level (Rodgers and Jennings). It's execution.
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15 years ago
i didn't mean the system, i meant our application of it with a very large hole where results should be.

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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zombieslayer
15 years ago

i didn't mean the system, i meant our application of it with a very large hole where results should be.

"TwinkieGorilla" wrote:



Cool. Then we are in complete agreement.
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Stevetarded
15 years ago

trade one of our best Defensive players just for the sake of the 3-4? a scheme which hasn't brought SHIT to our game? fuck that. this 3-4 system is a fucking joke. how many sacks do we have? how much real pressure have we brought? interceptions compared to last year? coverage blown?

"TwinkieGorilla" wrote:



The 3-4 hasn't brought shit? So I guess you don't remember how awful we were at stopping the run last year (especially in the red zone).

14 int's after 8 games last year and 12 this year.
14 sacks after 8 games last year and 13 this year.

Give me a choice between last years defense and this year and I will take this year's with no hesitation.
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warhawk
15 years ago

trade one of our best Defensive players just for the sake of the 3-4? a scheme which hasn't brought SHIT to our game? fuck that. this 3-4 system is a fucking joke. how many sacks do we have? how much real pressure have we brought? interceptions compared to last year? coverage blown?

"Stevetarded" wrote:



The 3-4 hasn't brought shit? So I guess you don't remember how awful we were at stopping the run last year (especially in the red zone).

14 int's after 8 games last year and 12 this year.
14 sacks after 8 games last year and 13 this year.

Give me a choice between last years defense and this year and I will take this year's with no hesitation.

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We are already better with it than last year and people want to get rid of it after eight whole games. Geez, if you could switch to any defense and be three times better than you were before 32 teams would all be using it.

You know the talk on this board going is was it would be fine if the D basically held it's own in the first half of the year and came on from there on out. I can say, for me, I am ok with what they have done so far.

It's the first year. We don't even have a full cup when it comes to personnel for it yet and a lot of the guys will only get better the more they play. I remember something about Woodley with the Steelers taking a year before he became a total beast in the 3-4.

If you want to see the Packers move away from this don't hold your breath. Sooner or later you have to draw a line in the sand and go with something longer than half a year and get the personnel pieces lined up.

The teams that are good in the 3-4 have been in it for years so where would they be if they just said screw it and moved back to the 4-3 after one season? Go back to the Steelers and Ravens first year and see if they put up any better numbers than we have so far.
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15 years ago


If you want to see the Packers move away from this don't hold your breath.

"warhawk" wrote:



don't worry. i'm not holding my breath about a great many things regarding this team right now. :roll:

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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