/begin rant

I don't care who's more to blame. NONE of the units has performed where they need to be if this team is to be a championship contender.

Maybe I'll be forever spoiled having grown up watching super bowls 1 and 2. But those were teams that DOMINATED on both sides of the ball. And so, ahem, was the super bowl 31 team.

Our defense may have screwed up less than the offense has. Big effing deal. What our defense hasn't been is dominant -- except against teams like detroit and cleveland.

Yeah, offense and special teams may have bigger problems. But if people think the quality of defense this team is playing is sufficient, I'm sorry, they're deluding themselves.

Nitschke, Robinson, Caffey, Davis, Jordan, Brown, Aldridge, Adderley, Wood, Hart, Jeter. That's the level of defensive that we should be demanding, dammit. I mean, it's 40+ years after the fact and I only had to look up one name. How many of us will be able to do the same with this defense in five years. Seriously.

"Wade" wrote:

No. No. No. Don't put this on the defense. Sure, they could be better but they are not the problem here.

Look at the last two games.

Against the Vikes:

On one drive they only had to go 14 yards. TOUCHDOWN

They kickoff-HOLDING GB- Ball on 15
THIRD DOWN- SACK- Punt

VIKES TAKE OVER on own 49- TOUCHDOWN

We are down 14-3 and the Vikings have had to go a total of 65 yards. This is a micro-whatever of how the season has gone. Sacks and penalties kock us back, we punt, the other team has good Field position....or... we DO score, kickoff....and allow a huge return.

In seven possessions OTHER THAN the one they took back to our 14 their average starting position was the 40.5 yard line. That's EIGHT times they are within a blink of being on our side of the field before they even run a play.

Interestingly enough the three other times the Vikes started from their own 19, 33, and, 26 yard line, they punted.

The defense has given up a few bad drives and a few big plays but overall they have played well and certainly good enough for us to win. In the last two weeks they have given up 76 points and close to 50 of those came from putting them in very bad shape or they didn't have anything to do with the score at all. That's pathetic.

"warhawk" wrote:

Wade.....i was one of the ones that got to see SB's 1 & 2 (on TV of course)
Teams back then had it alot easier, as if you had a great player, he wouldn't run off to other teams for the "big bucks". There was no "salary cap", but they didn't NEED one. PLayers didn't get millions of dollars, they were lucky to get several thousand. So you could keep good players. Today, it's a battle to keep anyone that IS half decent, cause you have to watch how much you spend. Plus, the "divas" that jump to other teams because they feel "dissed", and want MO money mo money mo money!
It's a different time, for sure.
But there are WAY too many screw ups on the Packers. I HOPE that turns around soon, or it will be another wasted season.

"Cheesey" wrote:

/begin rant

I don't care who's more to blame. NONE of the units has performed where they need to be if this team is to be a championship contender.

Maybe I'll be forever spoiled having grown up watching super bowls 1 and 2. But those were teams that DOMINATED on both sides of the ball. And so, ahem, was the super bowl 31 team.

Our defense may have screwed up less than the offense has. Big effing deal. What our defense hasn't been is dominant -- except against teams like detroit and cleveland.

Yeah, offense and special teams may have bigger problems. But if people think the quality of defense this team is playing is sufficient, I'm sorry, they're deluding themselves.

Nitschke, Robinson, Caffey, Davis, Jordan, Brown, Aldridge, Adderley, Wood, Hart, Jeter. That's the level of defensive that we should be demanding, dammit. I mean, it's 40+ years after the fact and I only had to look up one name. How many of us will be able to do the same with this defense in five years. Seriously.

"Wade" wrote:

Interestingly enough the three other times the Vikes started from their own 19, 33, and, 26 yard line, they punted.

"Warhawk" wrote: